ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

[degsy]

Enjoyed watching Ajax beat Juve last night, brought a smile to my face remembering their first great team and the headline provided by an Evertonian of “Ajax kills all known germs” after the Ajax 5-1 Liverpool match back in the sixties . One for us oldies , but makes me smile just typing it .

5 flukes according to Shankly. Because he knew I was football mad in those days, an arl fella in work gave me his ticket for the Kemlyn Rd Stand...sod that he said, Im not going to watch us get beat again. Ajax were a different class on the break, the rs were all huff and puff and somehow managed a 2-2. The place was starting to empty out after 60 mins.

 

[Baileyjon]

You take this internet thing awfully seriously don't you pal ?

Dave's in your head 24/7 by the sounds of it lol

The truth is that I dislike extremists who promote hatred and I think it is about time decent Evertonian's told people like Dave not in my name. How can any rational person profess to hate someone they don't know just because they happen to support another team. Could someone please explain that to me ?

 

[catcherintherye]

I am enjoying watching you dig a bigger hole mate it is epic. Just wondering whose spade you are using. Your Dad's, your uncles or maybe your cousin's ?

Don't worry lad your pretend spade will soon arrive when you get to the front of the pretend spade waiting list.

I have no idea if he's telling the truth or not, but I'm not sure why it's important or indeed why it would irritate you so much?

Lots of reds do it too. They get stick, but do you know what I don't blame them. I remember saying to my dad a while back if they sell tickets to say 6 or 7 of the big games which allows them to go on a family holiday with their kids at the end of the year, who am I to make a moral judgement on that?

The problem is not the local red who's ultimately profiting from a broken system. It's a broken system thats the problem, whereby football has become so out of touch with the ordinary working class fans who built the game that they are very much secondary to the whims of international supporters or the wealthiest bidders. It's the reds who herald this "internationalism" (in essence thatcherite globalisation) who are the problem.

The wealthy idiots paying 30 or 400 quid for a ticket to people in a working class city are the ones who should shoulder the moral blame and judgement in all of this, rather than being heralded as super fans because they happen to have more money than people who live close to the ground. Only in the world of kopitism is people having lots of money something to be cherished and worshipped (well also the tory party but hey ho).

 

[Wayno]

Imagine how irreparably wound you must be , to be so angry that opposition fans don’t like you that you register on their forum, pretend to be one of them , then label them extremists lol

The same group of fans that cheered a 9 year old travelling to an away game , being hit with a flare. Couldn’t make it up

 

[catcherintherye]

The truth is that I dislike extremists who promote hatred and I think it is about time decent Evertonian's told people like Dave not in my name. How can any rational person profess to hate someone they don't know just because they happen to support another team. Could someone please explain that to me ?

It's the irrationality of football though isn't it? That's basically every single fanbase in the country, including Liverpool supporters who profess to hate someone because they support a different team.

I don't hate Liverpool supporters though. I've met loads who I get along with very well. We just support a different team. It doesn't tend to stop lots of them hating me mind, but I don't build my standards of behaviour and morality on the lowest common denominator so I certainly won't be repeating back that I blanket hate all of them.

 

[cronullasharks]

The truth is that I dislike extremists who promote hatred and I think it is about time decent Evertonian's told people like Dave not in my name. How can any rational person profess to hate someone they don't know just because they happen to support another team. Could someone please explain that to me ?

Ask him yourself, you've gone off on a tangent i really couldn't be bothered conversing with you about. Enjoy your day.

 

[Wayno]

I have no idea if he's telling the truth or not, but I'm not sure why it's important or indeed why it would irritate you so much?

Lots of reds do it too. They get stick, but do you know what I don't blame them. I remember saying to my dad a while back if they sell tickets to say 6 or 7 of the big games which allows them to go on a family holiday with their kids at the end of the year, who am I to make a moral judgement on that?

The problem is not the local red who's ultimately profiting from a broken system. It's a broken system thats the problem, whereby football has become so out of touch with the ordinary working class fans who built the game that they are very much secondary to the whims of international supporters or the wealthiest bidders. It's the reds who herald this "internationalism" (in essence thatcherite globalisation) who are the problem.

The wealthy idiots paying 30 or 400 quid for a ticket to people in a working class city are the ones who should shoulder the moral blame and judgement in all of this, rather than being heralded as super fans because they happen to have more money than people who live close to the ground. Only in the world of kopitism is people having lots of money something to be cherished and worshipped (well also the tory party but hey ho).

Too true lad. Their fans thank us for it too, loads of them travel here for one game a year or whatever. No membership needed, good seats and a contact for next time they want to come to a game.

Nobody is losing out, LFC fans get to go to LFC games. Doesn’t say anywhere in the T&C’s that you have to be a Liverpool fan to buy a season ticket. I genuinely estimate around 1.5k to 2000 of their ST’s aren’t owned by their fans

 

[catcherintherye]

Too true lad. Their fans thank us for it too, loads of them travel here for one game a year or whatever. No membership needed, good seats and a contact for next time they want to come to a game.

Nobody is losing out, LFC fans get to go to LFC games. Doesn’t say anywhere in the T&C’s that you have to be a Liverpool fan to buy a season ticket. I genuinely estimate around 1.5k to 2000 of their ST’s aren’t owned by their fans

It's a broken system. In truth it's unedifying that ticket are going for such values. I just can't get my head around attacking overwhelmingly local people who are benefitting as a result.

To me the real insult, is to follow a team that is situated in one of the most deprived areas of the country, often travel to watch that team from a much wealthier area and have the arrogance that your wealth should be the determinant factor in allowing you to deny someone who is from the community the club is situated in to be able to watch the match. They are the people who should be getting attacked in all of this, vilified, stigmatised etc. They are the ones through their actions of showing nothing but scant disregard for the people of Liverpool and the local fanbase of the club.

Yet if you go to have any meaningful discussion on this, you are shut down and accused of being a xenophobe but people who clearly can't differentiate between internationalism or globilisation.

 

[MikeH72]

The truth is that I dislike extremists who promote hatred and I think it is about time decent Evertonian's told people like Dave not in my name. How can any rational person profess to hate someone they don't know just because they happen to support another team. Could someone please explain that to me ?

You must despise the tricky reds then who absolutely love being hated and use things like Munich and players breaking their legs to try and get under people’s skin.

 

[Wayno]

Yep you’re spot on. Seems like every Derby now they’re calling us scouse pricks in town which is just special lol

 

[Baileyjon]

Imagine how irreparably wound you must be , to be so angry that opposition fans don’t like you that you register on their forum, pretend to be one of them , then label them extremists lol

The same group of fans that cheered a 9 year old travelling to an away game , being hit with a flare. Couldn’t make it up

Except you have just made it up. The kid's mother was interviewed and categorically stated that the kid wasn't hit but suffered a panic attack and the effects of smoke inhalation. The same article made it clear that it wasn't a flare but a smoke bomb.

You see you are proving the point perfectly. It was hugely irresponsible and a criminal act to firstly light the smoke bomb and then throw it into a crowded area. The thing is you are not happy with that you have to embellish it even after you have been pulled up on your lies.

The scary thing is that the idiot who did it probably felt entitled to do it because he hated Chelsea fans. That is why extremist liars like you are dangerous. In your head it is okay to tout to Liverpool fans, it is okay to make up lies about them so where do you draw the line. Abuse, assault or perhaps how about a bit of genocide after all they are sub human Liverpool fans. Try thinking before you post. As I said earlier not in my name.

 

[Wayno]

I’m extremist because your fans threw a flare at a kid. Nice one.

 

[Baileyjon]

I have no idea if he's telling the truth or not, but I'm not sure why it's important or indeed why it would irritate you so much?

Lots of reds do it too. They get stick, but do you know what I don't blame them. I remember saying to my dad a while back if they sell tickets to say 6 or 7 of the big games which allows them to go on a family holiday with their kids at the end of the year, who am I to make a moral judgement on that?

The problem is not the local red who's ultimately profiting from a broken system. It's a broken system thats the problem, whereby football has become so out of touch with the ordinary working class fans who built the game that they are very much secondary to the whims of international supporters or the wealthiest bidders. It's the reds who herald this "internationalism" (in essence thatcherite globalisation) who are the problem.

The wealthy idiots paying 30 or 400 quid for a ticket to people in a working class city are the ones who should shoulder the moral blame and judgement in all of this, rather than being heralded as super fans because they happen to have more money than people who live close to the ground. Only in the world of kopitism is people having lots of money something to be cherished and worshipped (well also the tory party but hey ho).

Thanks for that finally a coherent reply. Although if you want to blame someone for monetising the game I think you have to look at United in the 90's for the culprits of that.

 

[Baileyjon]

I’m extremist because your fans threw a flare at a kid. Nice one.

You don't even know when you are lying do you ?

 

[Wayno]

Thanks for that finally a coherent reply. Although if you want to blame someone for monetising the game I think you have to look at United in the 90's for the culprits of that.

World record fee for a defender, well over £1b in the PL era.

It’s Man United’s fault though.