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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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I know lad you lie about a 9 year old kid getting with special needs getting hit with a flare and you still carry on posting. The worrying thing is that I am the only poster to have pulled you up about it. Tribalism at it's finest.

Go on prove me wrong and back up your lies.
Is right mate, it was only a smoke bomb they threw and I’ve got it on good authority that’s how you say welcome in Scandinavia
 

Got a feeling for Porto tonight.

No idea why, but I think this isn't the easy game everyone is expecting.

I can’t see it myself, not after the massively flattering 2 nil result they got in the first leg.

Porto have easily as good as they got. If they’d won 2 nil no one could have complained but they created good chances and never took them whilst the RS got a hugely deflected goal the first time they went forward.

In summary, they RS have probably done enough based on that first leg result but Porto are well capable of winning the game.
 
Tommy Smith, Luis Suárez, and football’s moral dilemma

In a pivotal match for the title race, Liverpool defeated Chelsea 2-0 at Anfield on Sunday. While Sadio Mané opened the scoring, Mohamed Salah sealed the victory with a screamer of a goal. The goal, in many ways, was poetic justice: just days before, Chelsea fans referred to Salah as a “bomber.” The club immediately published a statement condemning the chants, and Salah’s teammates and manager were quick to defend him from such abhorrent racist chants.

Between the racist chants and the goal, though, there was a minute of silence observed before the match for Tommy Smith, a Liverpool legend who had recently passed away. A local boy who went on to win every trophy imaginable, he was idolized among the Liverpool community. But for some, such as Smith’s former teammate Howard Gayle, Smith left a markedly different legacy.

Before Gayle signed for Liverpool in 1977, Smith was one of his role models, having won four league titles and scoring in a European Cup Final against Borussia Mönchengladbach. Yet soon, Gayle realized there was a sharp difference between the player and the person.

Whenever Gayle got the better of him in training, Smith, irritated by the fact that his knees were gone and that he was no longer the player he used to be, attempted to distract Gayle by making offensive remarks about Gayle’s skin color. For Gayle, a black man who had experienced racism throughout his career, this was nothing new, but it did leave a lasting impact on him. Subject to constant racial abuse from his own teammate, Gayle’s morale dropped, and he no longer enjoyed going to practice.

One day, during a training session, Gayle finally lashed out. In his autobiography, he recalls taking a scorching shot towards goal, one that hit Smith in the leg. The younger players laughed, yet Smith didn’t take too kindly to it; he responded with a racist tirade. The players, apart from Graeme Souness, who supported Gayle, stayed silent; Smith was a legend, Gayle was just another player.

This causes a difficult moral dilemma. Many of Liverpool’s black players, from Georginio Wijnaldum to Rhian Brewster, have been subject to racist abuse. But how can Liverpool claim to take the high road in the fight against racism when they fail to check their own?

In 2011, after Luis Suárez was found guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra, Liverpool’s players and manager donned shirts in support of their talisman. Rather than wearing ‘anti-racism’ shirts, which in itself is merely a symbolic gesture, Liverpool doubled down and supported their player. Paul McGrath, a black pundit and former player, criticized Suárez’s black teammate Glen Johnson for wearing the shirt, stating that he’d have thrown the t-shirt to the ground.

Can Liverpool claim to be fighting against racism when they refuse to check their own racists? It’s a difficult question, one that clubs have struggled to answer over the years. In 2012, John Terry was found guilty of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, the brother of Rio Ferdinand, whom he had played alongside for England. After serving his ban, he kept hold of the captain’s armband and was given a hero’s farewell when he left the club in 2017.

Where do we draw the line between a player’s performances and a man’s behavior? After Callum Hudson-Odoi was subject to monkey chants in a match against Dynamo Kyiv last month, Chelsea lodged a complaint to UEFA in defense of their teenage winger. But are Chelsea’s efforts efforts to protect their player watered down by their recent history?

Racism exists in every corner of society, and given the fact that football is the most popular sport in the world, it’s obvious that racists, whether they be closeted or overt, will find a way into football. Whether they be buying tickets to the matches or playing on the pitch, racists are apparent in every country, every league, every strata of football.

In order to eradicate them from the sport, football’s governing bodies need to do more than hashtag movements and black-and-white videos. But it’s not just FIFA and UEFA–everyone must do their part. Teams must repudiate and punish the racists within their own ranks, and players, specifically white players, must do more to stand up to racism.

Leonardo Bonucci can try to use social media and goal celebrations to polish his image, but the fact is, when his teammate Moise Kean faced racism from Cagliari fans, he did not stand up to them; he instead tried to play both sides and say Kean and the fans shared the blame. White people, like me, have a choice: we can use our white privilege to stand up to racists, or we can be silent and complacent. But if we do choose to be allies, we cannot reserve our vigilance for when it is convenient and popular; we must also stand up to our own, look ourselves in the mirror, and question whether we’re doing enough.

Or, as Professor Dumbledore said in the opening book of the Harry Potter series: “It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends.”

By: Zach Lowy

http://breakingthelines.com/opinion-pieces/tommy-smith-luis-suarez-and-footballs-moral-dilemma/
What he actually said, and I don't want to post it, shows what kind of man he was. It would make Jim Davidson look like a liberal
 

Too true lad. Their fans thank us for it too, loads of them travel here for one game a year or whatever. No membership needed, good seats and a contact for next time they want to come to a game.

Nobody is losing out, LFC fans get to go to LFC games. Doesn’t say anywhere in the T&C’s that you have to be a Liverpool fan to buy a season ticket. I genuinely estimate around 1.5k to 2000 of their ST’s aren’t owned by their fans
It's why the owner calls them customers and not fans, half and half whoppers the lot of them.
 
I know lad you lie about a 9 year old kid getting with special needs getting hit with a flare and you still carry on posting. The worrying thing is that I am the only poster to have pulled you up about it. Tribalism at it's finest.

Go on prove me wrong and back up your lies.
Why so desperate to defend the kopites friend?
 

A perfect example of what I said. You react to a post about conspiracy theories by coming up with one of your own. According this thread they control the FA, UEFA, the media, the refs, the Police, the government and the rest of the establishment.

It is so counter productive and corrosive it is untrue.
Why are you so bothered by what's posted on an Everton forum about the rs? If you don't like what's posted in this thread you can always ask for a thread ban, or I don't know, maybe not click on the offending (in your eyes) thread.
It's not hard. The same goes for anyone else upset at the criticism the rs get.
 

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