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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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Klopp on winning the title:

“But times have changed. It's much more difficult than it was in the past. We are maybe in the best moment for ages, but a few other clubs have made the same steps. That makes it difficult. In most sports, coming second in the Olympics you come home with a silver medal."

Preparing the troops for another failure.
 
Tony101 said:
You see things like this on the BBC an it should remind kopite's what they have achieved in the premie league years. Instead they act like they have won the league the last 4 years in a row. Every season the fans always shoe horn them in to the biggest game An most important in the prem it used to be when they played united bigest game in the league then when they played Chelsea biggest game in the league then last week the bigest game in the league when Chelsea are the team who are top. The worst thing is sky enable them to think that way the way they go on about Liverpool most teams have a song they have an anthem was so cringe again when in reality they have been irrelevant for so long they will be third this year a big gap behind City An Chelsea but when the city game come back round there fans An Sky will have you thinking that's the most important game in the prem.
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Erm where is the all conquering 13/14 make us dream team?! We were told numerous times that season that Suarez was the best player in the world even ahead of Messi. Why aren’t their achievements rightly recognised?! Now I’m sure if they did a European one of these they’d have how the Egyptian king conquered all of Europe and ‘blew away by 3 or 4’ Real Madrid in the final. It was all any football fan heard week after week. We were told they were the best team in Europe, no doubt about it, beyond despite.
 
davek said:
Klopp on winning the title:

“But times have changed. It's much more difficult than it was in the past. We are maybe in the best moment for ages, but a few other clubs have made the same steps. That makes it difficult. In most sports, coming second in the Olympics you come home with a silver medal."

Preparing the troops for another failure.
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He had his chance where his only opposition was Ranieri’s Leicester, Spurs and Pellegrini’s City. He came 8th. He then had another bite of the cherry and got well beaten by Conte who hadn’t even managed in the prem. Unfortunately Guardiola shut the door after that.

If Kovac doesn’t turn things round quickly and Liverpool drop off the top of the prem it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Klopp enetered conversations with Bayern. He won’t want to stick around answering questions as to why he spent world record fees on players and finished empty handed again.
 
Saint Domingo said:
He had his chance where his only opposition was Ranieri’s Leicester, Spurs and Pellegrini’s City. He came 8th. He then had another bite of the cherry and got well beaten by Conte who hadn’t even managed in the prem. Unfortunately Guardiola shut the door after that.

If Kovac doesn’t turn things round quickly and Liverpool drop off the top of the prem it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Klopp enetered conversations with Bayern. He won’t want to stick around answering questions as to why he spent world record fees on players and finished empty handed again.
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You'd have to ask though, if after four seasons with Liverpool he hadn't won a thing (and he hasn't won any trophy since 2011/12), why on earth Bayern would touch him with a barge pole?

He's defo lost all sense of the mentality of what it takes to win trophies. Three years ago when they went after Klopp, Liverpool really should have gone for a two year deal for Ancelotti. That'd have been a much better bet to secure a trophy. Then again, FSF are more concerned with just securing CL football and developing the stadium. Klopp does for that, but how long will the fans stick with his losing ways if this season is another empty handed one?
 

davek said:
You'd have to ask though, if after four seasons with Liverpool he hadn't won a thing (and he hasn't won any trophy since 2011/12), why on earth Bayern would touch him with a barge pole?

He's defo lost all sense of the mentality of what it takes to win trophies. Three years ago when they went after Klopp, Liverpool really should have gone for a two year deal for Ancelotti. That'd have been a much better bet to secure a trophy. Then again, FSF are more concerned with just securing CL football and developing the stadium. Klopp does for that, but how long will the fans stick with his losing ways if this season is another empty handed one?
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Well they've stuck by it for four so I can't see why they wouldn't be happy with another four trophyless seasons.
 
davek said:
I deal in facts. They deal in perception.

It's there for them whenever they care to look: Guardiola taking the piss big time and handing them a sideways "compliment" that they're the world champions at running about a lot.

Lol.

"Pep loves and admires our transitioning, lad"

Ha Ha Ha.

FFS, they really are thick as two short 'kin planks.
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5 short planks. Always 5!
 
toffeejack said:
Well they've stuck by it for four so I can't see why they wouldn't be happy with another four trophyless seasons.
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I think Klopp kept major criticism at bay last season purely on the strength of the CL run. He'll come under severe pressure his season without a trophy.
 
davek said:
You'd have to ask though, if after four seasons with Liverpool he hadn't won a thing (and he hasn't won any trophy since 2011/12), why on earth Bayern would touch him with a barge pole?

He's defo lost all sense of the mentality of what it takes to win trophies. Three years ago when they went after Klopp, Liverpool really should have gone for a two year deal for Ancelotti. That'd have been a much better bet to secure a trophy. Then again, FSF are more concerned with just securing CL football and developing the stadium. Klopp does for that, but how long will the fans stick with his losing ways if this season is another empty handed one?
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I think his reputation in Germany remains high and he’s high profile (mostly through his own careful brand management). You’d have to be incompetent not to win the title there and his strange style is effective in the CL especially with the superior talent he’d have at his disposal. I could see them spinning the wheel on him if none of the world class tier managers were available. It would be a good fit for him as well as I think he needs a safe bet now. He’s traded on the ‘look at me I take underdogs and win things’ brand for a while but that’s wearing thin now as this season is really stand and deliver time (last season probably was but the Euro run kept the knives at bay). He can’t absorb a 7 year spell of winning nothing because as you say no top club will touch him then. I think he looked at the prem and saw a weak top 6 that could be taken advantage of with his unique style and he’d be lauded as the miracle worker of Liverpool. He must have thought he was onto the golden ticket when he arrived in the Europa and league cup final and was smashing Chelsea and City away from home in his first season. The prem snapped back though and I genuinely think watching what Conte did at Chelsea and what Guardiola has done at City will have crushed him. He’s had Coutinho, Salah hitting 32 goals, the element of tactical surprise and has delivered nothing. If this season turns sour I think he’ll genuinely look to engineer a move out. His agent was at it last season before the Euro run gathered pace. If he finds he’s a long way behind Guardiola this season and Sarri or Mourinho are primed for next season he’ll just give up.
 

Saint Domingo said:
I think his reputation in Germany remains high and he’s high profile (mostly through his own careful brand management). You’d have to be incompetent not to win the title there and his strange style is effective in the CL especially with the superior talent he’d have at his disposal. I could see them spinning the wheel on him if none of the world class tier managers were available. It would be a good fit for him as well as I think he needs a safe bet now. He’s traded on the ‘look at me I take underdogs and win things’ brand for a while but that’s wearing thin now as this season is really stand and deliver time (last season probably was but the Euro run kept the knives at bay). He can’t absorb a 7 year spell of winning nothing because as you say no top club will touch him then. I think he looked at the prem and saw a weak top 6 that could be taken advantage of with his unique style and he’d be lauded as the miracle worker of Liverpool. He must have thought he was onto the golden ticket when he arrived in the Europa and league cup final and was smashing Chelsea and City away from home in his first season. The prem snapped back though and I genuinely think watching what Conte did at Chelsea and what Guardiola has done at City will have crushed him. He’s had Coutinho, Salah hitting 32 goals, the element of tactical surprise and has delivered nothing. If this season turns sour I think he’ll genuinely look to engineer a move out. His agent was at it last season before the Euro run gathered pace. If he finds he’s a long way behind Guardiola this season and Sarri or Mourinho are primed for next season he’ll just give up.
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Personally, I think they'd run a mile from Klopp. More chance of Tuchel ending up there if he does something at PSG. Bayern want another CL trophy. Klopp's run last year was a charmed one in that competition. The first head of state they ran into, though, they were obliterated.

If he wins nothing this season he'll be gone in the summer.
 

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