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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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DDV said:
Maybe the people replying to me aren't from Liverpool but Man U supporters are NOT assigned any pubs in Liverpool. And if you think You Scouse Bastards banners are acceptable in ANY Liverpool pub, you are obviously a wool. Any Everton fan who has been away to them will know what they are like.
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The same United fans go into purselike the Arkles mate. However can you explain to us what exactly you'd want Evertonians to do to said Manchester United fans? How would you want them to deal with the situation?
 

Just in my local for a few xmas drinks and spotted this so had to take a pic
 

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DDV said:
I think a few on here are a bit mixed up. It's about "Why people in Liverpool are so angry at "Tory" chants aimed by Manchester United fans", as in it is the Man U (and City and Newcastle, Sunderland etc) supporters who are being the Torys by singing songs about being poor at the people of the City of Liverpool. ("Feed The Scousers", "Sign On", "In Your Liverpool Slum" etc"). How that has evolved into Liverpool FC being a "Tory club" with "statues of Torys outside the ground", I don't know? Or Newcastle singing songs about Pickfords T-Rex arms as being disrespectful to the working class people of Liverpool. And why would "Tim and Miles from Surrey" be bothered about songs about Scousers?
I have even seen posts on Man U forums by LFC hating Manc match goers deploring the singing of such songs as embarrassing and a betrayal of ones working class roots. They sound like a 1980's Young Conservatives/ Bullingdon Club piss up. Accepting and agreeing with your fellow Scousers that singing of anti working class songs by middle class torys/ gammon should be challenged without any "ah yeah but warrabar dem RS doh?" is NOT a dilution of your football loyalties. Who knows where you end up when you come out with "Its dem RS playing the victim card again" when the songs are challenged? Or sitting in The Brick, laying out a spread and rolling out the welcome mat with the people who sing these songs, even though they are carrying and unfurl their You Scouse Bastards banners?
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What on earth are you going on about mate? Have you bothered to take the time to read my post? Have you bothered to read the parts where I agree'd with you? Why have you not taken the opportunity to condemn (or even comment on) Danny Murphy's comments about scousers being on benefits and trying to cheat the benefits system? Comments that saw the Sun newspaper make more anti-scouse reporting? You are accusing me of putting club loyalty ahead of principle, but your failure to condemn any of this, when it was put to you smacks me of exactly that.

I haven't asked why Liverpool fans are upset at the chants. Liverpool fans have every right to be upset at them, so to do Everton fans.

It hasn't evolved into Liverpool being a Tory club. Liverpool were a club set up by a leading Tory and their board was made up almost entirely of members of Liverpool Conservative association. They chucked out the tenants for reasons of greed in order to form their club. There is now a statue of the founder outside of Anfield. You may not like reality, but thats the reality of the comment "tory club" and "tory statue". Yo build a statue to commemorate one of the most famous Conservatives in the city's history.

As far as I am aware I made no comment about the frankly imbecilic song about Jordan Pickfords arms length. It's a bit of a pathetic, childish song but I have little against it. However them singing trough the game "feed the scousers" and Liverpool supporters laughing at how annoyed Evertonian's got is poor. Again I made that point above and you don't seem to acknowledge it. I'm not sure if that's ignorance, or whether you think it's funny when it's Everton on the receiving end, so refuse to condemn it (like you've not condemned Danny Murphy?)

Your Tim's and miles's (home counties Kopites) aren't bothered about anti-scouse songs, which was again a point I made in a previous post.

As for "where it leads us too". I have no idea what you are going on about. How does asking for a consistency in judging supporters behaviour equate to me of accusing you of false victimhood? For the record that is a slur. I have never once accused Liverpool supporters of acting the victims, and I would like that remark to be withdrawn.

I've also never been to the Brick so have never laid on any spread for anyone. Surely you should address your question to the owner of The Brick? Or the Arkles where Manchester fans go when playing Everton? I have no issue with laying out food for people, it's a nice thing to do and I generally believe in life it is important to take the moral high ground where possible. What would you have me do with someone calling me a "scouse B"? Go and attack them? If your masculinity is so fragile that this is your answer I suggest you go away and consider the wider implications of such an approach.

If someone said it to me, I'd laugh and walk away. I'd know the person of such prejudice and lack of intellect wasn't worth my time. I'd accept it was likely to be an oafish individual who probably has a lot of hate lurking beneath. I also know, that most people from Manchester who hate people from Liverpool do so out of a position of jealousy and bitterness. I'm sure they stuck a load of money behind a scouse fella's bar though, and thats enough for me. But by all means feel free to characterise that position as being the morally inferior to your own insinuation that some sort of vigilantism is the optimum response to such situations.

Anyway good luck with your travels. I say this as someone who agrees with you on the nature of the "feed the scousers" song, please learn to be consistent in how you call out such equivalent behaviour and when asked to do this, don't resort to making inane and inaccurate assertions about people, as you will not help the cause much if you continue to do this.
 

catcherintherye said:
What on earth are you going on about mate? Have you bothered to take the time to read my post? Have you bothered to read the parts where I agree'd with you? Why have you not taken the opportunity to condemn (or even comment on) Danny Murphy's comments about scousers being on benefits and trying to cheat the benefits system? Comments that saw the Sun newspaper make more anti-scouse reporting? You are accusing me of putting club loyalty ahead of principle, but your failure to condemn any of this, when it was put to you smacks me of exactly that.

I haven't asked why Liverpool fans are upset at the chants. Liverpool fans have every right to be upset at them, so to do Everton fans.

It hasn't evolved into Liverpool being a Tory club. Liverpool were a club set up by a leading Tory and their board was made up almost entirely of members of Liverpool Conservative association. They chucked out the tenants for reasons of greed in order to form their club. There is now a statue of the founder outside of Anfield. You may not like reality, but thats the reality of the comment "tory club" and "tory statue". Yo build a statue to commemorate one of the most famous Conservatives in the city's history.

As far as I am aware I made no comment about the frankly imbecilic song about Jordan Pickfords arms length. It's a bit of a pathetic, childish song but I have little against it. However them singing trough the game "feed the scousers" and Liverpool supporters laughing at how annoyed Evertonian's got is poor. Again I made that point above and you don't seem to acknowledge it. I'm not sure if that's ignorance, or whether you think it's funny when it's Everton on the receiving end, so refuse to condemn it (like you've not condemned Danny Murphy?)

Your Tim's and miles's (home counties Kopites) aren't bothered about anti-scouse songs, which was again a point I made in a previous post.

As for "where it leads us too". I have no idea what you are going on about. How does asking for a consistency in judging supporters behaviour equate to me of accusing you of false victimhood? For the record that is a slur. I have never once accused Liverpool supporters of acting the victims, and I would like that remark to be withdrawn.

I've also never been to the Brick so have never laid on any spread for anyone. Surely you should address your question to the owner of The Brick? Or the Arkles where Manchester fans go when playing Everton? I have no issue with laying out food for people, it's a nice thing to do and I generally believe in life it is important to take the moral high ground where possible. What would you have me do with someone calling me a "scouse B"? Go and attack them? If your masculinity is so fragile that this is your answer I suggest you go away and consider the wider implications of such an approach.

If someone said it to me, I'd laugh and walk away. I'd know the person of such prejudice and lack of intellect wasn't worth my time. I'd accept it was likely to be an oafish individual who probably has a lot of hate lurking beneath. I also know, that most people from Manchester who hate people from Liverpool do so out of a position of jealousy and bitterness. I'm sure they stuck a load of money behind a scouse fella's bar though, and thats enough for me. But by all means feel free to characterise that position as being the morally inferior to your own insinuation that some sort of vigilantism is the optimum response to such situations.

Anyway good luck with your travels. I say this as someone who agrees with you on the nature of the "feed the scousers" song, please learn to be consistent in how you call out such equivalent behaviour and when asked to do this, don't resort to making inane and inaccurate assertions about people, as you will not help the cause much if you continue to do this.
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Well said mate.
 
catcherintherye said:
What on earth are you going on about mate? Have you bothered to take the time to read my post? Have you bothered to read the parts where I agree'd with you? Why have you not taken the opportunity to condemn (or even comment on) Danny Murphy's comments about scousers being on benefits and trying to cheat the benefits system? Comments that saw the Sun newspaper make more anti-scouse reporting? You are accusing me of putting club loyalty ahead of principle, but your failure to condemn any of this, when it was put to you smacks me of exactly that.

I haven't asked why Liverpool fans are upset at the chants. Liverpool fans have every right to be upset at them, so to do Everton fans.

It hasn't evolved into Liverpool being a Tory club. Liverpool were a club set up by a leading Tory and their board was made up almost entirely of members of Liverpool Conservative association. They chucked out the tenants for reasons of greed in order to form their club. There is now a statue of the founder outside of Anfield. You may not like reality, but thats the reality of the comment "tory club" and "tory statue". Yo build a statue to commemorate one of the most famous Conservatives in the city's history.

As far as I am aware I made no comment about the frankly imbecilic song about Jordan Pickfords arms length. It's a bit of a pathetic, childish song but I have little against it. However them singing trough the game "feed the scousers" and Liverpool supporters laughing at how annoyed Evertonian's got is poor. Again I made that point above and you don't seem to acknowledge it. I'm not sure if that's ignorance, or whether you think it's funny when it's Everton on the receiving end, so refuse to condemn it (like you've not condemned Danny Murphy?)

Your Tim's and miles's (home counties Kopites) aren't bothered about anti-scouse songs, which was again a point I made in a previous post.

As for "where it leads us too". I have no idea what you are going on about. How does asking for a consistency in judging supporters behaviour equate to me of accusing you of false victimhood? For the record that is a slur. I have never once accused Liverpool supporters of acting the victims, and I would like that remark to be withdrawn.

I've also never been to the Brick so have never laid on any spread for anyone. Surely you should address your question to the owner of The Brick? Or the Arkles where Manchester fans go when playing Everton? I have no issue with laying out food for people, it's a nice thing to do and I generally believe in life it is important to take the moral high ground where possible. What would you have me do with someone calling me a "scouse B"? Go and attack them? If your masculinity is so fragile that this is your answer I suggest you go away and consider the wider implications of such an approach.

If someone said it to me, I'd laugh and walk away. I'd know the person of such prejudice and lack of intellect wasn't worth my time. I'd accept it was likely to be an oafish individual who probably has a lot of hate lurking beneath. I also know, that most people from Manchester who hate people from Liverpool do so out of a position of jealousy and bitterness. I'm sure they stuck a load of money behind a scouse fella's bar though, and thats enough for me. But by all means feel free to characterise that position as being the morally inferior to your own insinuation that some sort of vigilantism is the optimum response to such situations.

Anyway good luck with your travels. I say this as someone who agrees with you on the nature of the "feed the scousers" song, please learn to be consistent in how you call out such equivalent behaviour and when asked to do this, don't resort to making inane and inaccurate assertions about people, as you will not help the cause much if you continue to do this.
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What part of “he’s banned” did you not get mate ?
 

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