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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3
- Thread starter cronullasharks
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jaycee
Player Valuation: £60m
Hes an actor/bellend been in the likes of Brookside Holby city type stuff
tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
actor/bellend really is one of those categories that would have more than a thousand pages on Wikipedia
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Huge loss for them. Successful CEOs (which he has been undoubtedly) don’t just get dumped for no reason. Fair enough if he’s been poached by someone else but whatever way you spin it the CEO at a club is pivotal (unless you’re Everton where it’s an operational position not a strategic one), and a change in this position usually puts in doubt all the positions tied to that person.
True.
Usually, if you were to in charge towards the end of your contract and you finished with the top prize, you'd get an extension.
Edit; We could do worse
Daytripper
Player Valuation: £40m
I met him once years ago, when he was at Sega just before taking over the Microsoft Xbox job, I thought he was sound to be honest .
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
He essentially knitted it all together. Ian Ayre was terrible. He knitted together the quirky recruitment, quite hard nosed-coorporate owners, quite a demanding manager and a pssionate fanbase. They go on abot Edwards, but for me alongside Klopp he's the most important figure at the club. He's also overseen massive commercial growth and managed to get them to a position where they could sign Van Dijk, Alisson, Fabinho, Keita etc. The elite level player that have taken them to that next level.
It's easy to forget, when he arrived they were scraping top 4 under Klopp. Not bad by any stretch, but a million miles away, from being champions or winning anything.
You're also right to say this is very unusual. If he takes up apot as of late August/September we can see why, especially if it's a real step up. If it's a sideways step though, or no post then that sounds alarm bells for me.You wouldn't normally let him walk out after what he's done, nor would someone like that willingly just go.
My suspicion is, they are in for turbulence, they've seen what happened last time (nominally when turbulence occured a couple of boad members turned on them) and they are prioritising having comany men/loyalistsin the key positions. Moore is a bit of a loose cannon and I doubt would happily and easily sign off on selling key assetts without replacing them. A company man like Hogan will.
To a degree, Moore represented a break with what FSG do. It was a break from looking for value and them accepting they were willing to jettison that to buy what they called "premium". It probably at those days are gone and they are back to scouring the market again, probabaly with a lot less cash then before (I wouldn't be surprised to see them sign that Kelly they've been linked with). I sense there's a rebuild coming. It's going to be hard to take for them, as the likes of City will not plunge more in and probably leave them behind again, and they won't be able to outspend City as they did before.
It's also worth noting, they desperately tried to keep City banned, and also cautioned the PL about preventing Newcastle being taken over. They have released, via their usual hacks that the CIty decision means not only they cannot compete, but they cannot execute their previous game plan. It sounds quite alarmist to me, especially for a board who have just won the league. To be that concerned about others seems very amiss
Blue Shoes
Player Valuation: £10m
Googled him, still no clue, looks like he'd get sparked out. Their fans are so weird, imagine living life that miserably that even when your club ends a 30 year wait for a title, you're still bitter about a game a few years back. This title win hasnt made up for the gerrard miscontrol, just like the cl win last season hasn't seemed to have made up for the real defeat.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Yes, I've put some ideas in the previos post (above this) as to what could be playing out. It's very surprising to me. Alongside Klopp he has been mssive since he's gone there.
If we were serious I would be on the phone today to him.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Just odd that they’ve recruited internally. It’s the sort of move we do, but at the very top level United tried to replace Gill with Woodward and it has failed abysmally.
I’d like to give FSG credit and say that maybe they’ve not renewed him as he’s presided over the furlough scandal, utterly terrible club PR, and a complete mismanagement of the fan base as seen by the Man City bus attack and the recent title celebrations. I doubt FSG have that sort of integrity though so something else must be afoot.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I'll be frank, I don't see that at all. I mean the only reason that might be the case, would be if several big sponsors have got in touch directly to Liverpool and essentially intimiated that they will not be reviewing as a result. While I think there will be some kickback and it doesn't help, this will be more of a medium term thing I wuld say than a short term hit, as businesses already have far bigger fish to fry. I mean it's not impossible, but would seem unlikely to me.
Likewise the furlough decision. That will not have been solely Moore's decision. He would have done so in conjunction with FSG. I also don't think it damaged them so much that you would lose someone as good as Moore as the fall guy, or if you were going to, you'd have announced it then, to get some major kudos out of it. I mean if he revered it againt their wishes maybe that motivated it, but again there doesn't seem to be any suggestion of that. Like you'd have normally got that rat James Pearce writing preparatory pieces if they were unhappy with that handling, essentially isolating it as Moore's decision and FSG being unhappy. There's been none of that.
Its why I think it might be something a little more sensitive. The internal appointment makes little sense as well. They rarely work well and are quite small time. He's also been working in a different area of the business. What strikes me is he's an American and very much an FSG man/loyalist. They will be acutely aware what happened after the 2008 crash, less money spent, fans protesting against them and ultimately their board voting against them. I think they want loyal people for the forthcoming period. Read into it what you will.
Interesting read. I've never really took much notice of what happens behind the scenes. The bit about City I knew. It's been reported by a few of their friendly hacks as saying their whole business plan revolved around City staying banned. Weird club, supported by weird cultists.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Thanks mate. There have been a number of things recently from them that have been odd-the furloughing a couple of weeks into the crisis, the tacit acceptance they were the club losing 10m per week etc. Their response to City though was just bizarre. I mean it nicwely but they've just pulverised City into the groundand yet they are obsessed about what they do. Their business model is also not about competing with City in a like for like manner so again why does it impact Liverpool? They also rely on selling players for high prices, so having clubs like City able to do it strengthens their model. The sales of Suarez, Sterling and Coutinho allowed them to become stronger as a result.
When you then factor in, in America the economy has shrank by 33% last quarter. The great recession was 6% the Great depression estimated to be 10-15% and you get an idea of the scale of problems you are looking at. You then have a trading company, that exists almost entirely around discernible spend (sports) and you think wow, they are in serious trouble operating out of that country.
If their plan, as it seems to be was based upon FFP being maintained and City being banned, where does that leave them now? I can tell you what they did in America- which was to trade 3-4 of the best players, accept some years in the wilderness to come back stronger. However I have no idea what a plan looks like where they can't compete how they'd want to here, without rules giving them protection.
I am fascinated by what comes next, but as I've said for months and months, in spite of what their alleged experts have told us, it will not involve signing MBappe this summer. The shirt deal they signed will be worth less than the one they had previously, the legal fees to do it will be excorbitant and Nike my well negotiate the deal down further when the milestones they have no doubt given will not be met.
With regards to FFP, it leaves them exactly where it left them before. City didn't challenge FFP, just the assertion we had cheated it. The same FFP rules are still in place as before, nothing has changed in that regard. Theoretically, Liverpool and the other top 4 still have a massive financial advantage over every other club. The Prem tv deal watered it down somewhat, but it's still a good advantage. I don't think us winning our case has any bearing whatsoever on Liverpool's business. Covid on the other hand has given them a huge kick in the fork. The loss of revenue from match going fans is substantial. Even a well run club is going to suffer. The badly run ones might actually go bump. If Liverpool are suffering so much, perhaps it's indicative of how poorly they are actually being run.