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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

And I'm up to date!

What I learned.
1. You can take salbutimol anally (seriously)
2. Don't hide machine guns in the French sewerage system
3. The local Somalia-Algerian gang scene in Paris is out of control
4. We never did find out what happened to Karius after he lost them the cup final
5. Liverpool completed an unprecedented quadriplegic of forgetting the causes of Heysel, forgetting the causes of Hillsborough, forgetting that scoring goals in finals is important, losing Mane.
6. If the bus is later than 24hours, you may well have been stood up.
7. Salty kopite tears taste better with pepper.
8. Ian/ John Bishop is the new Jimmy Savile
9. @evertheoptometrist won't be back for a while
10. Kopites remain, as always- absolute gobshltes
 
BlueToff said:
You can think that all the media is RS obsessed - and you know what, a large chunk of it is. I agree. Some of it, like Sky, has purposefully gone that way, because they're a successful club with a huge fanbase that loves to go over the top about any achievement and that's what drives hits and clicks and all that nonsense.

But at the same time, just a few posts ago you said 'you hate the murdering cult' (or something along those lines), so your opinion is biased just like, let's face it, we all are because we're there rivals.

I've looked at it objectively. I know people who were there in a professional capacity and said it was bad. I trust the reporters that were there too. I also think Liverpool fans as a collective generally tend to cause trouble but that being said there was nothing like this in Madrid, or anything in Kyiv (I accept, that is a much harder place to get to). And just because we hate them, doesn't mean we should be happy that a brutal police response and lying authorities (whether that's UEFA or elements of the French government) should be given a pass.
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Hope you've got a diligent editor.
 

BlueToff said:
I wasn't at the ground. I actually was off on Saturday, so didn't watch the game. I caught up afterwards, I don't like watching their finals or games if I can avoid it.

Reporters like Oliver Kay (there's an Athletic podcast from, I think, Monday, where he speaks about this) were. As was Rory Smith, as was Henry Winter and Jason Burt. All of them reported that the Liverpool end was nowhere close to full as the match approached, and when the first announcement of the match being delayed was made. Apologies, that may have been 20-30 minutes before KO, not 10!

The French authorities claimed on Monday that 2,700 fans with genuine tickets were turned away. So if we want to say, then we can know that at least 2,700 people bunked in, as a safe assumption. But we don't know when they bunked in, and it certainly wasn't all before the game, or it would have kicked off before 9:36 if they had their end full and the situation outside was 'under control' in the sense of other fans being locked out...
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So let's ignore the fact that the steps were rammed with RS. Why can't you just say 'many more than 2,700'?
 
Yarrgh said:
And I'm up to date!

What I learned.
1. You can take salbutimol anally (seriously)
2. Don't hide machine guns in the French sewerage system
3. The local Somalia-Algerian gang scene in Paris is out of control
4. We never did find out what happened to Karius after he lost them the cup final
5. Liverpool completed an unprecedented quadriplegic of forgetting the causes of Heysel, forgetting the causes of Hillsborough, forgetting that scoring goals in finals is important, losing Mane.
6. If the bus is later than 24hours, you may well have been stood up.
7. Salty kopite tears taste better with pepper.
8. Ian/ John Bishop is the new Jimmy Savile
9. @evertheoptometrist won't be back for a while
10. Kopites remain, as always- absolute gobshltes
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11. Aldo is still wandering around the interior of the stade de France shouting obscenities at the pigeons.
 
catcherintherye said:
I think it's fair enough you being objective mate, and makes for an interesting and important point.

Like you, I have a lot of sympathy, especially for supporters with legitimately purchased tickets.

I do also have sympathy with the authorities though. The reality is, way more fans than had tickets turned up. People turned up with fake tickets (perhaps knowingly). People climbed over the fence to blag in. We know this as LFC fans bragged about it online. Nobody on the LFC side seem to be able to acknowledge this. There is video evidence of this, and LFC fans own accounts tell us it happened.

This led to a situation that was difficult for the authorities. They probably didnt deal with it well. But I'm not sure there was any easy solution.

What do people think happens though, if they blag in without a ticket, when the capacity is hit? What options do the authorities have?
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We all do.
 
WilliamPerry said:
I do hate them . Make no bones about that.

at the same time I’ve said UEFA’s poxy allocations cause these issues in the first place , I’ve said both them and the French police should be held to account. Same with the local lads being opportunists and worse with the robbing etc .

so why is it unreasonable to not want Liverpool to admit they have a proplem with a big element in their support and those who make money of the support ?
Heysal, Athens , Basle and now Paris has all seen these issues occur , they have form for it. Even Istanbul people bunked in . They have considerable form for it .

is that really that biased on this subject ?

the media , the government and Liverpool fc themselves are absolutely petrified of liverpools support . and we all know why.

we got banned out of Europe for 5 years because of these yet they still can’t admit any guilt for anything
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Sorry but they can't have it all. They make it the football event of the season. Every team, it seems, wants to be there for the rewards it brings. Why would they give 'fans' (tenuous) of each team nearly half of the tickets available? It's a money-making machine. Proper fans don't count.
 

catcherintherye said:
No I agree.

And for the most part I dont hate them.

I have sympathy for them, particularly the ones who legitimately bought a ticket.

But why is there no acknowledgement that people without tickets travelled, people with fake tickets tried to enter and people tried to illegally gain access? Never mind an honest discussion of what the impact was of those things.
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You're too smart to ask that question!
 
Nymzee said:
Don't have to be cool to find, ultimately, ticketing issues a really boring subject.
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Trapped behind a pillar at the opera is a ticketing issue, full scale bedlam and the riot boys deployed is a bit more pressing. Again thankfully no one was seriously hurt or worse. The maniacs provoke a response and then complain about said response. Its comedy hay to be made whilst the sun shines. Their numpties in the media have dragged this out god bless em.
 

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