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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3


Any time Gerrard is mentioned as a "great" for England or a "leader", I remember 2 things.

1. His stupid header that went past / over Jags & Cahill for Suarez to score at the WC....then he sent Jags out to face the press in the interview....as Captain Coward stayed in the changing room.

2. The last game before that World Cup, sure their was torrential rain and the game got stopped as storms died down....Gerrard could not get off the pitch quick enough....running past his team mates to get out of the storm....I though he was supposed hold his head up high and not be afraid of it!?!?!
 
Any time Gerrard is mentioned as a "great" for England or a "leader", I remember 2 things.

1. His stupid header that went past / over Jags & Cahill for Suarez to score at the WC....then he sent Jags out to face the press in the interview....as Captain Coward stayed in the changing room.

2. The last game before that World Cup, sure their was torrential rain and the game got stopped as storms died down....Gerrard could not get off the pitch quick enough....running past his team mates to get out of the storm....I though he was supposed hold his head up high and not be afraid of it!?!?!
Don’t forget his back pass straight to Henry at Euro 2004 which led to the penalty to lose the game 2-1.
 
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Any time Gerrard is mentioned as a "great" for England or a "leader", I remember 2 things.

1. His stupid header that went past / over Jags & Cahill for Suarez to score at the WC....then he sent Jags out to face the press in the interview....as Captain Coward stayed in the changing room.

2. The last game before that World Cup, sure their was torrential rain and the game got stopped as storms died down....Gerrard could not get off the pitch quick enough....running past his team mates to get out of the storm....I though he was supposed hold his head up high and not be afraid of it!?!?!

He was an utter nonentity of an international player. Just got outclassed tournament after tournament at the international level. Spent his whole England career chasing shadows of better players. Massively massively overrated.
 

He was an utter nonentity of an international player. Just got outclassed tournament after tournament at the international level. Spent his whole England career chasing shadows of better players. Massively massively overrated.

In fairness to Gerrard, that was most of that "golden generation" too.

I quite like the fact a less appreciated and discernibly talented group of players have completely outdone what they did. The manager and team seem much nicer as well.
 
In fairness to Gerrard, that was most of that "golden generation" too.

I quite like the fact a less appreciated and discernibly talented group of players have completely outdone what they did. The manager and team seem much nicer as well.

I agree but no one can say that Rooney Beckham Owen didn’t perform for England. They stood out on the international stage as some of the best in the world in their position. Gerrard just got schooled by any half decent international midfielder who went up against him. Successive England managers playing 442 just exposed the fact he always needed an Alonso type behind him actually making the play and pulling the strings whilst he hit Hollywood balls and loitered on the edge of the box for knock downs. As soon as he had to play some midfield for England we could barely put a pass together.

This team under Southgate has done ok because Southgate has ignored the brain dead English media, picked the best players regardless of club, and hasn’t created a two tier squad of sky 6 untouchables and then also rans. Pickford Maguire Rice Phillips have all played big roles in tournaments when not at a top 6 team, that just would never have happened under Sven, McLaren, Capello or Hodgson
 
I agree but no one can say that Rooney Beckham Owen didn’t perform for England. They stood out on the international stage as some of the best in the world in their position. Gerrard just got schooled by any half decent international midfielder who went up against him. Successive England managers playing 442 just exposed the fact he always needed an Alonso type behind him actually making the play and pulling the strings whilst he hit Hollywood balls and loitered on the edge of the box for knock downs. As soon as he had to play some midfield for England we could barely put a pass together.

This team under Southgate has done ok because Southgate has ignored the brain dead English media, picked the best players regardless of club, and hasn’t created a two tier squad of sky 6 untouchables and then also rans. Pickford Maguire Rice Phillips have all played big roles in tournaments when not at a top 6 team, that just would never have happened under Sven, McLaren, Capello or Hodgson
As a non Englander, I am forever grateful that no England manager had to balls to drop Lampard or Gerrard and put Barry or Hargreaves in there beside one of them.
 
As a non Englander, I am forever grateful that no England manager had to balls to drop Lampard or Gerrard and put Barry or Hargreaves in there beside one of them.

England managers could have picked any of Scholes Carrick Hargreaves Barry to play in a midfield three with Lampard (the better player in possession). Not a single one of them was brave enough to go against the kopite media though. We genuinely could have won something but we turned up tournaments with a midfield of two attacking mids with no positional discipline.

I remember in 2010 Capello had finally shown some balls and exiled Gerrard to the left wing so that Barry could play with Lampard in the middle. All throughout qualification we looked pretty good but as soon as the tournament started the kopite media machine cranked up ‘Gerrard has to play in the middle’ and sure enough we started against USA in a 442 with Lampard and Gerrard and had an awful World Cup.

Southgate has had some better success by just completely ignoring idiotic media suggestions ‘Trent should play in midfield’ ‘why isn’t Henderson starting’ ‘Rooney retired too early’ ‘he’s got the wrong formation’ all these expert pundits who all know better (even including failed ex England managers) they should all shut up and let him get on with it.
 

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