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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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DownSouthBlue said:
Wijnaldum looks to have replaced Henderson/Allen/Milner in Centre midfield,it's his true position and the one he plays for Holland and previously at PSV.

For some reason and no surprise but the awful Mclaren played him as a left forward in a top 3,and he still scored 11 goals and had 8 assists which is quite impressive for playing out of position in a new league with a god awful team led by an awful tactically inept manager in Mclaren,not sure where Benitez played him.

Bournemouth paying 6 million for a LB who's had hardly any starts is astounding,they also sold a striker to Watford for 4 million and someone else to Norwich for the same fee.Seems to be the deals that Chelsea have been doing for years with their younger players it's actually a good revenue stream for FFP,stockpiling young talent bought cheaply and loaning them and then selling them at a huge profit,City have started doing the same as well the last couple of seasons.And selling Ibe for 15 million as well that's nearly 30 million pounds for 4 academy graduates who had no chance of making it there.
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Why are you on an Everton forum posing as a blue mate? You need to ask yourself some serious questions, have you ever seen a nudey girl?
 
DownSouthBlue said:
No club in their right mind would do business with Bournemouth and lose out on money by putting a stupid clause in the deal that if Bournemouth win the league they get x amount added on to a already lower fee,if anything it looks like Bournemouth are flush and paying silly money.

More worrying is the RS look to be signing Jetro Willems who's a fantastic LB,He's so good going forward with a cracking delivery,he did his cruciate ligaments 2 seasons ago,cameback last season and was back to his best for PSV,Klopp signing Mane Grujic Wijnaldum Matip Karius and Willems if true is showing the transfer commitee has lost it's influence and Klopp is the one targetting players,doesn't seem to be the usual overpriced british players coming in and he's targetting players to play his Dortmund 4231 formation with players who can play quick transition football his Dortmund team were brilliant at. :(
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You have done some decent business offloading your younger players (I am going to presume your a red mate, I don't particularly mind it's good to hear the view of the other side).

Williams would be a bit risky post injury problems, the lad you should have gone and got was Hector I am surprised you didn't get it done. As for the rest I am not sure they are Klopp as opposed to "the committee" signings. I am also not sure there is a Berlin wall of difference there. I think Klopp suits what the committee want better than what Rodgers (or Dalglish) did.

Mane looks like a classic committee signing to me and though you try to round it down most evidence suggests a fee of 34 rising to 38 million. Huge money on a good player but very transfer committee. Up to 10 million more than United paid for Mikhataryan. I like Mane but he feels very much like a committee buy. I would say the same for Wijnaldum, a good player but you have overpaid, that being said that will happen a lot with players from the premier league. Matip and Karuis look like Klopp buys and quite astute.

The worry you have mate, and I mean it nicely is that you could begin to look like what Everton did under Moyes. Always challenging in the top 5-6 teams but never quite having the quality to win trophies. You have to respect Klopp as a manager and his method but Dortmund got picked off and Liverpool will have to try hard to ensure that doesn't happen to their best players.

Your best spell in my living memory came under Houllier and Rafael. Both of them focussed on signing experienced players, often for a bit more money and winning trophies. I'll be honest I'd be far more worried if you went down that route than if you keep going down the moneyball route trying to emulate Dortmund. There's little doubt you've bought well but I'm not sure you've bought players who will elevate you from essentially a top half team into one that seriously competes. The players may develop into that and then your challenge will be to keep them.
 
DownSouthBlue said:
Bournemouth paying 6 million for a LB who's had hardly any starts is astounding,they also sold a striker to Watford for 4 million and someone else to Norwich for the same fee.Seems to be the deals that Chelsea have been doing for years with their younger players it's actually a good revenue stream for FFP,stockpiling young talent bought cheaply and loaning them and then selling them at a huge profit,City have started doing the same as well the last couple of seasons.And selling Ibe for 15 million as well that's nearly 30 million pounds for 4 academy graduates who had no chance of making it there.
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So messing around with the career paths of young English talent to make a few quid? Be nicer if they stockpiled people who they wanted to play for them...

Awful behaviour I'm sure you'll agree!
 
Yorkie said:
So messing around with the career paths of young English talent to make a few quid? Be nicer if they stockpiled people who they wanted to play for them...

Awful behaviour I'm sure you'll agree!
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This seems to be a trend with the so called bigger clubs. The likes of Chelsea sending 20+ players out on loan and then making a nice profit of them. It's an easy way to balance the books and avoid FFP (even though it's a much use as Ann Frank's drumkit in it's current guise) but not palatable for a club with the principles of Everton.

I'd rather us let youngsters we know wont make it go for free to further their careers than hold onto them and stifle the life out of them.
 

GerryandthePaceMerchants said:
This seems to be a trend with the so called bigger clubs. The likes of Chelsea sending 20+ players out on loan and then making a nice profit of them. It's an easy way to balance the books and avoid FFP (even though it's a much use as Ann Frank's drumkit in it's current guise) but not palatable for a club with the principles of Everton.

I'd rather us let youngsters we know wont make it go for free to further their careers than hold onto them and stifle the life out of them.
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if the kids have the right people advising them, they wouldn't go to these clubs and be used. Then again, lower league clubs look at the likes of chelsea and presume they must be good so will loan them over say a player from nottingham forest, even though the forest kid could be top class but happy to stay local.
 
another "fine" for the best fans in the world ... oh no, the call will take the fall for it again. Instead of handing out the correct prosecution which would be a ban. Seriously, how do UEFA think a fine, to be paid by the owners is going to prosecute the fans?
 

roydo said:
While I agree it is illegal and fans should be more careful, part of the blame can be shifted onto UEFA officials themselves for allowing contraband to be brought into stadiums.

Unbelievable.

Like nicking something from Tescos and blaming the security for not being good enough that.
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Aye - like nicking a botlle of vod, drinking it, then whacking the guard over the head and claiming the guard assaulted him when leaving the store..
 

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