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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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I'd put money on anyone giving grief about Hillsborough at an Everton game getting a swift dig

As I said in another thread, I have been virtually every game for 25 years and I have honestly never seen anyone say anything about Hillsborough.

I edited my earlier post but I said the same prior to that. He would have got a good hiding if he started waving copies of the Sun at our games.
 

Watching BBC Breakfast before I went to work this morning,the only League Cup game tonight worthy of a mention was the RS!

Including an interview with Klopp on why the RS are taking the competition so seriously.

It's even the live commentary on 5 Live tonight.

The bias at the BBC is unreal at times.
 
As I said in another thread, I have been virtually every game for 25 years and I have honestly never seen anyone say anything about Hillsborough.

I edited my earlier post but I said the same prior to that. He would have got a good hiding if he started waving copies of the Sun at our games.

I have heard Blues singing songs about it, on the tram on the way to Old Trafford about 10 years ago.

They got dogs abuse from Blues & Mancs all around them.
 

Lads I know it's a sensitive topic but would anyone please explain to me what exactly happened at Hillsborough? From a neutral perspective.

I believe there are 3 elements to the anger to what happened at Hillsborough. Primarily mistakes made on the day. Secondly how the authorities/media dealt with them in the immediate aftermath and thirdly the longer term unwillingness for anyone to acknowledge what went wrong.

As for structural problems they range from the FA picking a ground without a safety certificate, the police giving Liverpool the smaller end and most importantly decided to open the gate to allow people in as they were worried about the number of supporters outside to the slow response to Sheffield Wednesday having a stand that didn't pass the safety certificate.

Everton stood by Liverpool in the aftermath of what had occurred and always believed the Liverpool supporters accounts over what had happened as opposed to the Sun/Police/Government version. Of course within any football club you don't get complete homogeneity and I'm sure somewhere there can be found an Evertonian who has made a joke about it or believes the Suns version of the "Truth" but as a club and the overwhelming majority of the fanbase have always been wholeheartedly in support of our local rivals as there is an acute understanding that life, death and injustice transcends football rivalry.

Unfortunately there is a small minority of Liverpool fans who like Solomon Grundy live outside of the City (and I doubt are from the city) who rather than taking pride in what was and remains a remarkable show of defiance from an embattled city and two great football clubs within it (and yes for any Kopite lurkers Liverpool the more successful of the 2) seek to try and re-write the history books to falsify what has happened. They will focus on isolated comments made by ill informed idiots and use them to try and generalise about Everton to score points. Given what has happened it is pathetic and incredibly damaging. It is certainly not what the surviving family members would have wanted and I know they are very proud of the support they received across the city.

In his case he openly lied. He made out accusations that Evertonians were waving copies of The Sun in the Anfield road end. He lied about an being an Evertonian, he lied about sitting in the Everton end at Anfield watching Everton and he lied that Evertonians around him were waving The Sun. On a topic that is characterised by lies and deceit to come on board an opposing teams forum, make it several lies to misrepresent what occurred in the aftermath of Hillsborough is outrageous.

Suffice to say in an era with camera phones and video footage from several camera’s there has never been a single shot of anyone holding up anything to do with Hillsborough at any Everton game for 28 years home or away. If he has evidence to contravene that he should come and post that up, but pretending to be an Evertonian to give his fantasy more validity is outrageous.

This is true of his wider motive. As if last season there hasn’t been enough to laugh at Everton about. A terrible team, a terrible manager and a club that has been run into to the ground in comparison to where it was 30 years ago. There’s no shortage of ammunition if he wants to have a laugh at our expense. Yet he chose to invoke what Conservative PM Cameron called “the biggest injustice in British history” and misrepresent information so he could have a few laughs on an internet forum.

I know he is not representative of Liverpool Football Club in the same way the idiots who support Everton (or other teams) who would use a disaster to mock people aren’t representative of Everton. The Kop held a “thank you” mural a few years back at a Merseyside Derby and for me this simply would not have happened without enormous support from Everton fans and if Everton fans waved copies of The Sun around.

Liverpool Football Club can and should be proud for the way they have conducted themselves regarding Hillsborough and have never allowed for the memory of those who died to be forgotten. Liverpool as a City should be proud for how it united. Just as people sneer at the football club the same people sneer at the city and make out there isn’t unity. Frankly he’s too thick to grasp that.

The final indignity on this is he is still on RAWK gobbing off calling me (and others names). It really doesn’t both me whatsoever but his behaviour remains as unacceptable today as it does back then and no amount of name calling will change that.

Consistently when posts were being put on there from this they would omit the direct questioning people were asking him as to why he behaved as he did. It is a closed forum you cannot sign up to so I can’t sign up and ask him. There is a deliberate cowardice on behalf of lurkers of RAWK on here not to put the points raised to him.

Again that’s fair enough but I would dare any of the lurkers here to re-post what I have put here. I believe there must be some of you who are as angered as I am with people mis-representing the history of the Hillsborough disaster. Deep down you know it’s out of keeping with the manner of how LFC as a cub conducted itself.
 
Can't quote off my phone but I will post your post on there tomorrow.

I appreciate that mate. I've got no problems with "banter" (I do as it's an odious phrase) but the concept of fans ribbing each other is fair enough. Half the stuff Martinez came out with (and Kenwright) is nonsense and easy pickings. I'm sure I've come out with my fair share and bought into a lot of what Martinez said. I have no issues with holding my hands up and taking some stick and in all honesty most of it makes me laugh when I'm a bit bored. I think 99% on both sides are the same and you get a bit of stick when Rodgers or some of your fans made silly comments.

However I've always felt Hillsborough and the tragedy was off limits for trying to score points. Primarily because we are talking about lads who died. Secondly because most of the "banter" is based around a set of lies which have increased the pain for those involved. I haven't got any time for that and I no amount of insults directed at me is going to change the fact that Solomon Grundy should answer why he felt the need to lie about Hillsborough. I'd hope most decent reds will have a word with him, as I'd hope most decent blues would have a word with anyone lying about Hillsborough on here or in person. I know I would.

Anyway I appreciate you popping it on for me mate. Your boys are looking good this season, who do you reckon will get the most points/goals out of Firmino/Lallana/Mane/Coutinho. Feel free to PM me who you reckon if you don't want to do it publically.
 
I think Mane will get more goals but Coutinho will get more points in tight matches. Seems that Firmino has settled now and his work rate is a big factor in how we play at the right tempo. I never worry about playing the top teams in the table as we seem to play our game . Obviously teams that shut up shop are a sticking point and that is where we need to use width more. A tighter defence will help us too.
 

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