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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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4737carlin said:
Really hope they don't get rid of him, as a person I don't mind him but while he stays there they will never do anything of note.
Under Rafael i sometimes thought he might get them back at the top but under thus guy never
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He’s perfect because he’ll never win anything with them but he has these periods where he convinces them (and their enthralled media) that they’re going to be challenging, then the wheels come off hilariously, but because they’ve all bought into his overly emotional cult so much they dare not now speak out against him. At any top club he’d have been fired by now yet it’s obly now that they are even starting to think that maybe he’s not der best manager in der werld. He’s managing down expectations to the point where a season that they scraped into the top 4 despite not having Europe is celebrated like a trophy win.
 
Saint Domingo said:
He’s perfect because he’ll never win anything with them but he has these periods where he convinces them (and their enthralled media) that they’re going to be challenging, then the wheels come off hilariously, but because they’ve all bought into his overly emotional cult so much they dare not now speak out against him. At any top club he’d have been fired by now yet it’s obly now that they are even starting to think that maybe he’s not der best manager in der werld. He’s managing down expectations to the point where a season that they scraped into the top 4 despite not having Europe is celebrated like a trophy win.
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The "turn doubters into believers" line is absolute genius from him. It fits into the Cult logic perfectly. Anyone who tries to question him internally is the problem for not believing. Anyway criticising Liverpool in the wider media is also attacked from the cult. They just need to believe.

When it goes horribly wrong they pull out the pseudo-science of being "unlucky".
 
Saint Domingo said:
Imagine they had a January like last season again, they went from champions elect to a scrap for fourth.
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There's every chance this happens as well. In fact there's every chance it starts earlier and lasts longer as a dip. His players just can't handle the demands of Klopp's game two days a week. In both seasons when the pressure has gone on and the games have gone up performances have really dropped.

What you have to factor in with Klopp now, if the ever increasing injury list and the fact he keeps rushing people back. The fact that Lovren is going out every week with several painkillers should concern them, he will end up like Daniel Agger. Mane has done a hamstring which is normally 6-8 weeks out and then normally 3-4 weeks until back to full fitness. A pound to a penny as soon as he is back training he will be back into the first team within a week. Lallana is another one who will be rushed back. He;s been out since July, just returning mid November. That's no pre season and light training in November. Most sensible coaches would give him at least 6 weeks to fully catch up on pre season but I suspect he will be thrown back in. His body is letting him down too. Henderson will be another one, he is one injury away, and Sturridge is where they will end up. The kopites will of course use all of this an unmitigating evidence of "bad luck" butterfly it's terrible management of resources.

I still remember the conversations they had with me on Klopp, like he was some genius because he didn't follow basic protocol over athletes. "Ah yea, he ignores all the b/s sterotypes of modern football, that say you can't play injured, that there's a red zone, that players need light training before full training, that players can't do triple sessions in pre season, that players burn out if you go too heavy too early on". Like other managers were so stupid to follow the advise of doctors and Fuhrer Klopp (as they called him on radio merseyside) had somehow confounded all the evidence with a nod to the nostalgic past where men were men and played with broken necks.

The other worrying thing for them, is Klopps teams tend to struggle in the second half of seasons. It is little surprise, given in Germany there is a winter break of 6 weeks. Klopp can give his players 2/3 weeks off to rest then 3-4 of intense training to get them super fit again. He is clearly very adept at this, at getting players fit in 3-4 month bursts and the German system suited him perfectly. Unfortunately in England with not only no winter break but as schedule that gets busier, his players tire.

They scraped over the line last season, in part because Arsenal had serious injuries on the opening day and lost a game they would have normally won with a first choice back 4. I see them dropping major points in the second half of the season, due to the injuries catching up, struggling with intensity and also the added games costing them. As I remarked above, I see lots of parallels with our last season under Martinez, where we play nice football but are unwilling to do the simple things defensively.

I would absolute love us to go and Tuchel or Ancelotti and would fancy us to finish above them if we do. However bad we are, they are similarly poor. That Matip, is an awful defender and gets away with murder from their fans.
 

catcherintherye said:
There's every chance this happens as well. In fact there's every chance it starts earlier and lasts longer as a dip. His players just can't handle the demands of Klopp's game two days a week. In both seasons when the pressure has gone on and the games have gone up performances have really dropped.

What you have to factor in with Klopp now, if the ever increasing injury list and the fact he keeps rushing people back. The fact that Lovren is going out every week with several painkillers should concern them, he will end up like Daniel Agger. Mane has done a hamstring which is normally 6-8 weeks out and then normally 3-4 weeks until back to full fitness. A pound to a penny as soon as he is back training he will be back into the first team within a week. Lallana is another one who will be rushed back. He;s been out since July, just returning mid November. That's no pre season and light training in November. Most sensible coaches would give him at least 6 weeks to fully catch up on pre season but I suspect he will be thrown back in. His body is letting him down too. Henderson will be another one, he is one injury away, and Sturridge is where they will end up. The kopites will of course use all of this an unmitigating evidence of "bad luck" butterfly it's terrible management of resources.

I still remember the conversations they had with me on Klopp, like he was some genius because he didn't follow basic protocol over athletes. "Ah yea, he ignores all the b/s sterotypes of modern football, that say you can't play injured, that there's a red zone, that players need light training before full training, that players can't do triple sessions in pre season, that players burn out if you go too heavy too early on". Like other managers were so stupid to follow the advise of doctors and Fuhrer Klopp (as they called him on radio merseyside) had somehow confounded all the evidence with a nod to the nostalgic past where men were men and played with broken necks.

The other worrying thing for them, is Klopps teams tend to struggle in the second half of seasons. It is little surprise, given in Germany there is a winter break of 6 weeks. Klopp can give his players 2/3 weeks off to rest then 3-4 of intense training to get them super fit again. He is clearly very adept at this, at getting players fit in 3-4 month bursts and the German system suited him perfectly. Unfortunately in England with not only no winter break but as schedule that gets busier, his players tire.

They scraped over the line last season, in part because Arsenal had serious injuries on the opening day and lost a game they would have normally won with a first choice back 4. I see them dropping major points in the second half of the season, due to the injuries catching up, struggling with intensity and also the added games costing them. As I remarked above, I see lots of parallels with our last season under Martinez, where we play nice football but are unwilling to do the simple things defensively.

I would absolute love us to go and Tuchel or Ancelotti and would fancy us to finish above them if we do. However bad we are, they are similarly poor. That Matip, is an awful defender and gets away with murder from their fans.
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i've been pointing this out to my RS mates in work and they seem to agree with me, that Klopps style can mess players up in the long run.

Reus, Gotze, Subotic, Gundoghen & Sahin have pretty much been crocks for the last 3 or 4 years (103 games between them since 2014) as there bodys couldnt handle the intensity, and have not become the players they were expected to be because of that
 

catcherintherye said:
There's every chance this happens as well. In fact there's every chance it starts earlier and lasts longer as a dip. His players just can't handle the demands of Klopp's game two days a week. In both seasons when the pressure has gone on and the games have gone up performances have really dropped.

What you have to factor in with Klopp now, if the ever increasing injury list and the fact he keeps rushing people back. The fact that Lovren is going out every week with several painkillers should concern them, he will end up like Daniel Agger. Mane has done a hamstring which is normally 6-8 weeks out and then normally 3-4 weeks until back to full fitness. A pound to a penny as soon as he is back training he will be back into the first team within a week. Lallana is another one who will be rushed back. He;s been out since July, just returning mid November. That's no pre season and light training in November. Most sensible coaches would give him at least 6 weeks to fully catch up on pre season but I suspect he will be thrown back in. His body is letting him down too. Henderson will be another one, he is one injury away, and Sturridge is where they will end up. The kopites will of course use all of this an unmitigating evidence of "bad luck" butterfly it's terrible management of resources.

I still remember the conversations they had with me on Klopp, like he was some genius because he didn't follow basic protocol over athletes. "Ah yea, he ignores all the b/s sterotypes of modern football, that say you can't play injured, that there's a red zone, that players need light training before full training, that players can't do triple sessions in pre season, that players burn out if you go too heavy too early on". Like other managers were so stupid to follow the advise of doctors and Fuhrer Klopp (as they called him on radio merseyside) had somehow confounded all the evidence with a nod to the nostalgic past where men were men and played with broken necks.

The other worrying thing for them, is Klopps teams tend to struggle in the second half of seasons. It is little surprise, given in Germany there is a winter break of 6 weeks. Klopp can give his players 2/3 weeks off to rest then 3-4 of intense training to get them super fit again. He is clearly very adept at this, at getting players fit in 3-4 month bursts and the German system suited him perfectly. Unfortunately in England with not only no winter break but as schedule that gets busier, his players tire.

They scraped over the line last season, in part because Arsenal had serious injuries on the opening day and lost a game they would have normally won with a first choice back 4. I see them dropping major points in the second half of the season, due to the injuries catching up, struggling with intensity and also the added games costing them. As I remarked above, I see lots of parallels with our last season under Martinez, where we play nice football but are unwilling to do the simple things defensively.

I would absolute love us to go and Tuchel or Ancelotti and would fancy us to finish above them if we do. However bad we are, they are similarly poor. That Matip, is an awful defender and gets away with murder from their fans.
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i said the almost exact as that about a year ago, i don't understand why he's so talked about. I said it with that game in the CL again, what are they doing? 4-0 up at HT and a big game on the weekend, nope they want to show off and bust a gut with two injury time goals ... what happens on the weekend? utterly humiliated.

Whilst we're on that game, spurs have been woeful at wembley in england so far, they have been since the new one was built tbf, and look at that result again tonight, another poor result. Yet they battered the RS, teams like swansea, burnley, west ham and bouremouth have made it hard for them, but the RS' clueless manager walked straight into their game plan and got hit for 4, he's a terrible manager, nowhere near worthy of his stature anyway.
 
Apparently they have some kind of anniversary coming up and this is the godawful shirt issued to celebrate.


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Seeing reports that FSG turned down £1.5 billion for the club,the reasoning for turning it down is the asset is undervalued with the looming new international rights up for negotiation.Didn't they buy the club for £200 million,how much profit do they wanna make.

That woman involved in the Newcastle bid was part of the bid from the UAE for the RS,rumours for a while that the man city owner's half brother who is richer wants to buy an english club,looks like he's going to buy Newcastle now if she's now working on that bid.

£350million for Newcastle seems a bargain,one city club and fantastic stadium with the new domestic and international tv deal to rise again it would be a bargain at that price for a billionaire.
 
BillLovesRoo said:
i've been pointing this out to my RS mates in work and they seem to agree with me, that Klopps style can mess players up in the long run.

Reus, Gotze, Subotic, Gundoghen & Sahin have pretty much been crocks for the last 3 or 4 years (103 games between them since 2014) as there bodys couldnt handle the intensity, and have not become the players they were expected to be because of that
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TBF, Goetze's issues where more illness than injury, and that happend in Munich, Subo did his ACL, Reus' problem began with a ligament rupture too, Gundogan didn't have major injury issues under JK, certainly no big muscle problens. He dislocated his knee the season before he joined City, that is what crocked him.

It's not like he coaches an unique style. I think he's learnt a lot as well over the years, and their player don't seem to get a ton of muscle injuries in comparison to some teams these days, I think Mane's injury was with the natiol team rather than club team. A problem he does have though is that he likes to work with a smaller squad than he should be working with in a league like the prem. So I guess if there an issue, it's with overplaying some players.
 

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