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England v Brazil

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Bruce Wayne said:
That was kind of my point. If you look at the best club sides they all have a way of playing and fit players into their teams with that in mind. Barcelona and Arsenal play the short passing game. Man Utd play a fast, counter attacking style with excellent wingers. Chelsea and Liverpool are defensively minded and physical.

England simply don't have a style and as a result are forced to pick the best 11 players in the hope that one materialises. For instance there's nothing wrong with Joe Cole being right footed on the left, Ronaldinho does it very well, but as he's largely going to be cutting inside he needs a strong striker to play off of. Owen simply isn't that man, his strengths are getting in behind the defense.

On the other flank you have Beckham who's strength is crossing. He often needs an attacking full-back to overlap, thus creating space for him to cross because he's not quick or tricky enough to create his own. With Neville behind him this is an option, with Carragher it certainly isn't. It also has to be questioned whether putting crosses into Owen is the best use of his talents. At the moment, Beckham only really looks effective from set pieces when he has some proper arial threats to aim at.

In the centre of midfield, both Gerrard and Lampard excel for their clubs when they can play off of a big front man and can gamble on pushing forward safe in the knowledge that a Mascherano or Makalele are sitting behind them. Neither the big front man or defensive midfielder were present today. If Rooney plays that further complicates things. It's no coincidence that neither Liverpool or Chelsea play with a player 'in the hole' and that's because he would get in the way of Gerrard/Lampard.

You would have to say that if you were building a club side then none of the England teams from the last decade would be your preferred eleven because we constantly fall for the trap of picking the best eleven individuals and then trying to forge a system for them to play. It shows up in the regularly disjointed performances from the team. It's incredibly rare for England to blow a side away, so many results are niggly and the old 'it's the result that matters, we'll improve the performance when it counts' excuse is rolled out. It simply doesn't work that way. If you look at the England rugby team, in the year/18 months prior to the World Cup we had a style that bordered on 'total rugby' and blew everyone away to such an extent that the WC win was such a formality for the players because they knew the system worked. Until England devise a philosophy for how we should play we'll never get anywhere.
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media pressure picking the side?

"how can you leave ********* out?" - "after all hes great for ********* in the league"

a strong character with an idea of the game like clough wouldnt have been dictated too, thats exactly why he never got the job.
 
All coaches have restrictions they have to work under with regards to their players. Club coaches have a limited budget, national coaches a limited player pool.

If you look at Moyes you can see that Everton play a certain way to get the most out of each player in the side. There are countless players he could have signed but didn't because they didn't fit in with that philosophy.

McClaren simply has to find out what his philosophy is and build a team that best delivers that, even if it means leaving out big names.
 
Yeah, but surely you can see the holes in this guys philosophy. He leaves out Beckham, we play [Poor language removed]. Beckham comes back and he provides chances and goals.

Lampard constantly plays [Poor language removed] and is immune. So where is his restriction there?
 
SuitsBlue said:
media pressure picking the side?

"how can you leave ********* out?" - "after all hes great for ********* in the league"

a strong character with an idea of the game like clough wouldnt have been dictated too, thats exactly why he never got the job.
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truest words spoken those Suits. Tonights performance was mediocre at best and at times embarrassing. brazil hardly broke sweat until they had to. I find it astonishing that a man with his back ground as the sickly Swedes deputy for five years found the need to appointment Del boy as his deputy. Why appoint a man who had done your job before, he'll be the first to knife you in the back, which Del boy will shortly.:( :unsure:

It was a poor display, experienced pros acting like rabbits in headlights half the time, we were fortunate to get a draw:o :(
 

yep a draw was a very lucky result for the so called lions.

credit to venables, he got an england side playing in euro 96, shearer and sheringham were magnificent, strangely both were strikers devoid of pace.... fast forward 11 years and d.bent, owen, johnson, defoe, show that england now have pace but are devoid of strength and aerial ability.

im not convinced smith is over his leg break, same goes for ashton, so who next??? beattie??? crouch????

nugent isnt prem tested yet, and the way his goal scoring stopped after his england goal provides my suspicions with a solid base.

tonights forward starting six were

owen
smith
beckham
j.cole
gerrard
lampard

only one of those six has any pace, and hes been injured for the past eleven months.

work horse england, full of passion and grit (yeah right) can only get so far, as it is, they arent up to it, manager or player... anyones guess, but it currently isnt right.
 

Bruce Wayne said:
Is it me or did anyone else notice the collective membership of Grand Old Team shuddering at the thought of having sex with Victoria Beckham?
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there's more meat on a butchers pencil, way too thin for my taste and possibly the others, even Becks has the nanny out every so often, leave her for Cal:P :lol:
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Is it me or did anyone else notice the collective membership of Grand Old Team shuddering at the thought of having sex with Victoria Beckham?
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I was too busy shuddering to notice what the rest of the guys were doing. However, my wife loves Posh 'n Becks.:huh:
 
would she do a threesome with them? if so video it! ..... poor taste?

anyway, back to beckham, all of a sudden we look far better than before, all the beckham critics are saying gerrard made the difference, but then he played in the other [Poor language removed] performances.

Ditch lampard for carrick I say, bring some balance to the team.
 

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