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English players to honest to dive

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Jamo Martinez

Jamo Martinez

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This is what John Terry claims.
What a bell. The international media will have a field day putting together a compilation of the best efforts of messers Gerrard and Rooney (just for starters).
Footballers should keep their mouths shut most of the time.
 
They'd also never do other dasterderly deeds such as spit on another player or show up the ref by pulling his arm when hes showing a card..oh wait a minute.
 
Gone are the days when all English players play the game in the correct manner & stand up whenever possible. Gerrard is 1 of the worst in the Premiership for it, Rooney & Ashley Cole aren't far behind. Hypocrisy of the highest order
 

Its part of the game, all the best players do it. In spain they say players "won" a foul...over here we say they "cheated the reff".

In a world where a defender can rag the shirt off you as a corner comes in, elbows get thrown about unoticed, and general rough an tumble of the sport deemed illegal goes on...pulling off a good dive and winning a foul is part of the game.

You also have to be very good at it. If not you're like Pedersen for Blackburn. If you are you're like Ronaldo etc.

If a player is going to be drawn into a tackle, misses the ball the player was controlling, commits himself, and the player dives and gets a peno....that's just what that situation brought to itself IMO.

Not condoning diving...but you dont blame the player if he does and wins a peno you blame the reff for being duped.
 
Saying it's part of the game is fair enough. However it's part of the game I'd rather was eradicated (along with lenience in shirt tugging etc). Incompetence should be condemned, but cheating is worse imo
 
James Martin said:
Saying it's part of the game is fair enough. However it's part of the game I'd rather was eradicated (along with lenience in shirt tugging etc). Incompetence should be condemned, but cheating is worse imo
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Well technically its not "cheating" - cheating means you cut corners so you definately win, break the rules to favour yourself. There's not rule saying you cant dive only that you'll be booked if caught "simulating".

Conning is a better word. What you are doing is conning a reff to believe that you've been fouled. Its not breaking the rules its playing the game IMO. Players do what they can within the rules to create advantages for their team, just as if defenders pull on shirts to get advantage over a forward. Its up to the referees to make a decision. And being that ref's arent meant to be influenced in matches (by players or the fans) they have to be definate on the decision they make.

IMO you open a massive book of interpritations. The Eduardo thing is a joke IMO. Punishing a player for conning a reff rather than a reff taking the blame will open up a can of worms IMO. It will also lead reff's to make some shocking desicions this season. Eduardo will never win a peno ever again even if he's been shot in the leg by a defender.
 
too honest to dive, they're having a laugh!
The game is riddled with cheating whether it's technically cheating or just conning the ref. The beautiful game is at the mercy of the bean counters because all that is measured is whether or not a team wins something, there is no reward for playes and people that are honest.

Remember what Paolo Di Canio did at Goodison? Do we ever, ever see anything like that these days, or even in those days it was a pretty rare occurence - and the irony is, for me, at least, that Di Canio is un bastardo Fascista!

If I 'cheated' while going about my job, would I get 'ah well it's part of the job these days', too damn right I wouldnt, I'd be out of a job before I could blink.

and before anyone says 'how many pens and pencils have you pinched from the office?' - i can tell you that yes I have at least three black pens and half a dozen HB pencils, I confess.
 

bluebastardo said:
Cheating is low, and anyone doing it deserves to be named and shamed. I find it interesting that some of you are trying to excuse diving.
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Im not finding an excuse for it, Im not even saying its right, all Im saying is that players will do anything to get an advantage in the game within the rules, and there is no rule against diving unless your're caught.

I label diving in the same bracket as shirt pulling, having words with the reff, barating the reff, faking injuries, elbowing, pushing etc etc all the "little" things that no one ever bothers whinging about.

And what is the criteria for "diving"? Andy Johnson was labelled a diver because he went over easily. But the fact he was pacy and any player under minimal contact with electric pace is going to go over due to momentum...is that diving? Arteta is a master of falling over under the minimal contact, Pienaar is good too. Alsono is the master of getting people sent off for doing the same thing. But the thing that they all have is that they're in control of the ball - a minimal clip sends them sprawling...is it diving or intelligent use of a situation?

Diving came into the English game from the foreign imports, these foreign imports you could say created the Premier League it is today. All the best players in the world do it.

Personally, I take it as part of the game, given or not given by the reff - it infuriates but can also get a team an advantage (Tony Hibbert is a diving [Poor language removed] you can say).

But I think what's going to happen now is that 100% certain penalty shouts arent going to be given because diving has been made a big example of this season.
 
bluebastardo said:
It's things like this that annoy me the most.

YouTube - Footballer of the acting oscar !! Kyle Lafferty !!
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I found that very funny:lol:. That is cheating to be honest because basically he's faked an assault to get a player sent off. Its up there with spitting or doing the "card" hand gesture even just kicking out at a player. That player in the video was fined and the card was over turned.

Its different to diving really. Diving tends to be in the heat of the moment and split second action as players diving in or make challanges. And to be fair I dont think all players just think "Im gonna dive" I think it just happens through the slightest of contact or even a reaction to on coming contact. Gerrard's a great example of this...he'd go steaming in to get a ball and a slight touch on him will make him go flying to the deck, and because of his pace he'd get a foul because of how forceful he'd hit the floor. The impression of a foul will sway the reff big time.

And do you see the Rangers fans in that video? They pretty much were kicking off and wanting the player sent off for nothing too, even cheering when he got sent off. Being a reff is a tough job with that amount of pressure.
 
AdamTheGreatOneB said:
I think it's ridiculous that players do things like this. Do they not realise the amount of tv cameras that cover these games? There's no way you can get away with such blatant play-acting.

Here's another... It's laughable...

Dida - Celtic
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Yes, he went down like a soft-arse. But still doesnt overshadow a thick **** of a supporter running onto the pitch and giving a mild tap into Dida's face. That supporter couldve done anything to him.

Also, would it have been noticed if Dida hadnt have gone down? Just a thought. Dida made a meal of it, but it was brought into the limelight.

I remember that fan getting a ban and the club fined I think.
 

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