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Everton Fans Vote "Yes" To Kirkby Move

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Everton1878sk said:
Very sad news ... sad that easy propaganda, without many important information, persuade majority about so terrible location !
If you will try find worse LOCATION, you can´t ...

RS moving to Stanley Park; Everton - first, traditional Liverpool club moving to Kirkby ...
It´s white flag, mates.
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Glad you feel that way. When we moved to Anfield.....out of the city. When we moved to Goodison.....out of the city.

Do you even know why Kirkby was founded???? God I am from no where near the place and I friggin' know!

Don't even bring up the 'Loop' PROPOGANDA, as it is not going to happen. In fact, even if KEIOC found financing, I wouldn't want to go, for it is them who have drug the name of Everton Football Club through the gutter with that horrible scare tactic of showing our own fans partaking in violence to try and sway Kirkby residents! :angry"

You know, Toffeeweb is full of people who will listen to your venting about it being a travesty.

Unless you bring something useful to the stadium debate, on our forum, go there.
 
me neither.
I'm not against kirkby and all that boundary nonsense, but I dont think this was the best option for the club at all, merely the easiest.
I would have liked a no vote, personally, I would have been prepared to take a chance on making the club find other alternatives, and I dont accept this 'no plan b' hogwash. Its lazy and its patronising.

I'm not chucking the dummy a la toffeeweb, and I'm not totally against kirkby.
But I cant be happy at having to leave GP, and I dont entirely trust the figures mentioned, as at best they are only 'predictions' albeit based on a quasi-proven business model.
 
does no-one trust the board?

the move is about money. We don't have any. We need money to help compete with the spending of our neighbours.

We're not surrendering the city. It's ours.

Liverpool is owned by yanks and supported by scandanavians.

Kirby is Liverpool, same as Huyton etc.

Would you rather stay in the city and watch everton lose its manager, best players etc. watch us get overtaken, relegated or worse go bankrupt.

In ten years time we could be buying the next ronaldinho or hunting around for the next gavin mccann on the cheap.

A new stadium financed by other parties will ensure that money can be heavily invested in the team and we remain attractive to investors.

Or we could watch GP fall around us, on and off the pitch.


Kirby aint ideal, but its our only option.
 

leonbil said:
does no-one trust the board?

the move is about money. We don't have any. We need money to help compete with the spending of our neighbours.

We're not surrendering the city. It's ours.

Liverpool is owned by yanks and supported by scandanavians.

Kirby is Liverpool, same as Huyton etc.

Would you rather stay in the city and watch everton lose its manager, best players etc. watch us get overtaken, relegated or worse go bankrupt.

In ten years time we could be buying the next ronaldinho or hunting around for the next gavin mccann on the cheap.

A new stadium financed by other parties will ensure that money can be heavily invested in the team and we remain attractive to investors.

Or we could watch GP fall around us, on and off the pitch.


Kirby aint ideal, but its our only option.
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Thats just it mate, it aint our only option it never was never will be.
Its not about distrust of the board, its not about conspiracy theories either.
Its about being 'told' HOW to vote and then giving a completely one sided forecast of what 'could' happen.

Its not about watching gp fall down either, I'm not saying necessarily stay at gp or liverpool.
I just cant get my head around why people think this stadium is going to be so great for our future and finances.
It will be a whole lot better than goodison park, but very mediocre in the grand scheme of things, and most definitely NOT going to propel us into buying players like ronaldinho alone.
An extra £10m a season has been touted by wyness, and he has already told us there may be a possibility of us needing another long term loan to help pay for it, which could cost anything up tp £2m a season in repayments and interest.
How much good is an 'extra' £10m a season going to do for us?
From here on in an average player is going to cost £6/7m then add wages onto it and we are not going to be buying many galactico's.


I'm not saying we dont need to move etc,but I think the board have been short-sighted about all this.
And I think they are short changing the name and the fans.



IMO the proposed kirkby stadium is not the best option for our club, but merely a very convenient one.
Only by voting NO would the board have been forced to eat humble pie, get off their arse and come up with viable alternatives.

The business world is a very fluid and rapidly changing place, esp investment sectors.
So for wyness to paint a picture of kirkby or bust is negligent.
 
The way I see it, it’s not an extra 10 million a season.

Its that versus attempting to fund a project that will costs us a quantum amount more. (150 million - 300 million?) Leaving us with crippling debts

Everton have ostensibly been looking for a new stadium since the early 90s. There's been a fairly dynamic business environment in that time as well. We have had brilliant proposals - the kings dock.

We couldn't afford them then and we can't now.

This idea that the board hasn't tried to find viable alternatives is a fairly cosmetic argument. Yes they were locked into an exclusivity agreement, but the years before that the council and the board could find no solution.

Fans want us to drive round in a Rolls Royce when we've got the money for a bus pass. Just by wishing we could have a world class stadium in Liverpool doesn't make it tenable.

Kirby was a concrete package that made sound financial sense. Mayes has backed it - why would he deliberately want to hurt the club, or put up with what you perceive as negligence?

We are not privy to the figures, and I cannot say I am a hundred percent happy about this by a long shot - (I am angry with Liverpool Council's support for LFC at the expense of Everton), but I cannot see we have pursued Kirby solely because of a lack of effort on the boards part.
 
it makes no difference where we move to and however good a new stadium, no one will be happy that we are leaving goodison.
 
The margin of victory was surprising and enough, imo, to give the club the mandate they were seeking. I was also surprise that nearly 30% of those available to vote didn't. I just trust that the dissenters do not try some bogus ruse to attach those votes to their banner in some underhand fashion.

There is only one thing left now for all blues and that is to rally together at tomorrow's game, show unity, make sure the blood letting is over and move on as a fully committed PEOPLES club.(y)(y)
 

montyblue said:
The margin of victory was surprising and enough, imo, to give the club the mandate they were seeking. I was also surprise that nearly 30% of those available to vote didn't. I just trust that the dissenters do not try some bogus ruse to attach those votes to their banner in some underhand fashion.

There is only one thing left now for all blues and that is to rally together at tomorrow's game, show unity, make sure the blood letting is over and move on as a fully committed PEOPLES club.(y)(y)
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got an awful feeling the dissension will continue on for some time. hopefully violence can be avoided, but judging by fans forums, and websites this vote has threaten an evertonian schism.

Too much accusation and emotional blackmailing going on amongst supporters. The rift needs to be healed. I keep seeing posts along the lines of "if you don't like the vote go and support LFC" etc.

and other posts such as "the yes voters will be dancing on the ruins of goodison".

None of this helps.

The realists voted yes for Kirby, the romantics voted No in the hope a stadium in Liverpool could be found or goodison developed. Ultimately, many romantic voters given the figures and a few more years of searching for a stadium in Liverpool may well have been persuaded to the Kirby option. The majority of the realist voters, understood the pain of leaving liverpool (isn't that a song?) and goodison park, but wanted to see a prosperous team, in a new stadium, and thought Kirby and Tesco could offer that without financially hurting the club.

We are all more alike than we think. I applaud both sets of voters, because I know in their hearts they were all doing what they thought was right for the club.

I hope not many evertonians will refuse to buy everton tickets in the future because of this.

I hope in a few years, we can stand in a new stadium, and watch everton compete for the league title, a united and richer club - with better players, a bigger ground and as an attractive propositon to outside investors.

We'll do the double over the RS that year too.

EFC forever.
 
I'm actually not THAT scared of a huge rift between yes and no voters/followers.

Yes, there will be persons who will cast dirt on this for years, even if this move makes us a superclub again. But most true fans will unite behind the club again... it might take a while, but they'll return.

It's the club we support and love, no matter where it plays.
 
Ive already said i'm opposed to kirkby, but its sort of settled now.
Although if we do it the everton way nothing is cast in stone.

But I cannot get my head around people who say they're not buying tickets anymore, and they wont set foot in the new stadium, its all bollocks though really.

Anybody upset enough to spit the dummy now, is probably still too passionate about the club,when it comes to the crunch, to stay away!
 
why abondon the team you love over a stadium?

Everton could move to timbucktoo and I'd still support them.

ONCE A BLUE ALWAYS A BLUE.
 

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