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Everton. I hate you. Again.

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Jamalio Danubio DiCanio said:
Don't think comparing ourselves to that lot across Stanley Park is helpful at all. They might be our neighbours but in footballing terms they are on a different planet at the moment. The aim should be to achieve those level but comparing against them at this stage is a futile experience and what that harms the new regime only 2-3 months in.

Moaning about bad luck and burial grounds is a bit of dark humour. But there are too many fans who believe this is all down to bad luck or some deal the RS have signed with the devil.

It isn't. The finances weren't available for a while to compete. One arm tied behind the back type of situation for a long time. One that Moyes did well in for a period of time. Since money has been available the decision making has been poor throughout the club. From manager choices with opposing playing styles, to appointment of Director's of Football above their station (Walsh) to poor acquisitions of playing staff. It's a composite of poor decisions at boardroom and manager level that has resulted in a a mish mash of a playing squad that needs renovation before they can even start playing the style of football the manager wants to play.

The thing is with Marco Silva the slate should be wiped clean. He should be given time to figure out this mess and allow the club to follow a certain strategy for years to come. Comparing ourselves to other clubs, no matter how much we may hate them, does us no favours since the comparisons will always come off negative. If we want to look at them it should be for clues to success. They built a transfer strategy and style of play that has stayed in place for 2 managers - Rodgers and Klopp. It meant that went Rodgers was sacked they didn't need an overhaul of the playing staff to get a tune out of the current squad. It meant the scouting and transfer committee didn't need to do a u-turn on the groundwork on new targets to fit a completely different style of play. There was already the infrastructure in place. Compare that to us. Chalk and cheese.

It's on the backdrop of this that Silva should be allowed time and patience to turn things around. More than a handful of games and 1 transfer window for definite. He won't get 100% of things correct and ultimately he might fail. But we should get behind him and players. What's the other option fume at the match and then compare us unfavourably to them lot.
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The damage was done late 90's to mid noughties - our clubs owners knowingly sat on their hands while other historically smaller clubs mobilised - first Chelsea then City and arguably Spurs later - although to be fair they are yet to win anything.
We are now stuck in a footballing vacuum that coincides with are most barren period of success in our long history - throwing the managerial dice over and over again hoping in vain for a double six.
We have no media profile with BBC and or Sky (last nights defeat wasn't even mentioned on BBC this morning)
We have an appalling record against all the so called sky six that even a newly promoted team would blush at.
We are all waiting season after season for a Kevin Brock moment which never appears.
Dark times.
 
Absolutely sick of this club. The last time we won something, I was a year old! I've watched liverpool win a treble, fa cup, League cup, compete in 5 European finals and win 2.

I've seen Chelsea sold for £1, win numerous league titles, cups and the champions league!

I've seen Man City fight numerous relegation battles only to go on to smash league records, sign some of the best players in the world and win a few leagues.

I've seen Leicester City go from being relegated to league one to winning the Premier League in the matter of 7 years.

What on earth is wrong with us? Like seriously?
 
JL94 said:
Absolutely sick of this club. The last time we won something, I was a year old! I've watched liverpool win a treble, fa cup, League cup, compete in 5 European finals and win 2.

I've seen Chelsea sold for £1, win numerous league titles, cups and the champions league!

I've seen Man City fight numerous relegation battles only to go on to smash league records, sign some of the best players in the world and win a few leagues.

I've seen Leicester City go from being relegated to league one to winning the Premier League in the matter of 7 years.

What on earth is wrong with us? Like seriously?
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I watched us win League Titles and European trophies, then I watched our descent into the nothing club we are now.

Im not sure whos had it worse.
 
MarcelsGoat said:
I watched us win League Titles and European trophies, then I watched our descent into the nothing club we are now.

Im not sure whos had it worse.
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I think they have , we’ve had the glory days and we’ll never forget them . Better to have loved and lost and all that .

I genuinely feel like I hated us this morning when I got up , I don’t really blame silva for that but I’m still bruised after the last couple of years .
 

MarcelsGoat said:
I watched us win League Titles and European trophies, then I watched our descent into the nothing club we are now.

Im not sure whos had it worse.
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I think I'd have a good argument for winning this one, unfortunately!

If I didn't have the stories from my older generations I don't think I'd even believe we used to compete for the league
 
Harryflashman said:
I think they have , we’ve had the glory days and we’ll never forget them . Better to have loved and lost and all that .

I genuinely feel like I hated us this morning when I got up , I don’t really blame silva for that but I’m still bruised after the last couple of years .
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I proper hate the club.

I try not to hate individuals, its honestly not 1 persons fault we are what we are, its a combined effort by everybody over the last 30 years.
 
daza_1973 said:
The damage was done late 90's to mid noughties - our clubs owners knowingly sat on their hands while other historically smaller clubs mobilised - first Chelsea then City and arguably Spurs later - although to be fair they are yet to win anything.
We are now stuck in a footballing vacuum that coincides with are most barren period of success in our long history - throwing the managerial dice over and over again hoping in vain for a double six.
We have no media profile with BBC and or Sky (last nights defeat wasn't even mentioned on BBC this morning)
We have an appalling record against all the so called sky six that even a newly promoted team would blush at.
We are all waiting season after season for a Kevin Brock moment which never appears.
Dark times.
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It a long road back. One that isn't helped by defeatism or fans fuming at a poor run of form.

There's no magic answer to our problems except building from the position we are in. Will take some luck and a lot of good decisions at both boardroom and playing level. We haven't had many of both recently. But it's do-able. Spurs have done it. Not won anything but they are firmly a Top 6 club. The Spurs over the last 10 years are who we should aspire to be.
 

JL94 said:
I think I'd have a good argument for winning this one, unfortunately!

If I didn't have the stories from my older generations I don't think I'd even believe we used to compete for the league
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We also have the challenge of convincing the next generation too. Got season tickets this year for my brother and nephew. My 10 year-old nephew has come away from every game just moaning about all the fans moaning. Honestly, when he's old enough to go on his own, I can't see why he will continue to go, and I fear other kids will be the same.

Growing up I lived off the memories of my dad, and a vague recollection of 95. Even through the Moyes years, there were some great feelings, but unless this ground move comes off, and we stick with Silva/ Brands for long enough (and they prove they can do it) then we're in for an inevitable slide. Without the fanbase we've had up to this point too.
 

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