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Everton Summer Transfer Thread - 2022

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Bungle said:
It's difficult to care about other clubs players when you can't even stand your own. This season I will mostly be following Netball.
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bluestevon said:
Yeah but using Mykolenkos stats here last season the only direct comparison you can make v Digne is a very easy one, Dignes time during the exact same season, which shows Digne 0 assists 0 goals. Mykolenko 1 pen won one goal.


Otherwise you're using Dignes stats with a fit DCL Rodriguez providing a kit of other threat and those balls putting Digne in great position to provide the assist, v Mykolenko last season.

Hardly a fair reflection and more than a little screwed towards proving your point isn't it?
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Well, it's not a direct comparison is it?

One had Benitez as manager.

The other, Lampard.

One had a manager who wouldn't let him cross the half way line. He then went to Villa, 4 assists - 1 short of our talisman in Richarlison in more than half the games.

No comparison is ever going to be a perfect science.

It seems your argument is on Mykolenko scoring 1 goal during half a season, and Digne not scoring 1 goal during half a season.

The point is a simple one.

Digne created more for Everton than Mykolenko will.

In his last full season at Everton, Digne was 3rd for chances created out of all defenders in the entire league. He was 1st for a few seasons on the bounce for creating chances at Everton.

Mykolenko isn't going to replace that, and we've signed nobody else who will either.

Until we bring in players who can create chances, we're going to really struggle.
 

GrandOldTeam said:
That was a goal, not an assist.



This is what I said;



If you want to downplay Digne's significance to Everton over the years, and overplay Mykolenko - then good for you.

Digne offered more to Everton than Mykolenko going forward.

Bookmark me. - Mykolenko won't equal, or better any of Digne's full Everton seasons, for Everton next season.

Richarlison was top for us/give us 5 assists last year.

Digne got 4 at Aston Villa in 16 games last season.

Digne was massive for us at creating. With him gone, we can't expect Mykolenko to pick up that slack.
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I don't think myko will equal or better dignes output either. I expect him to likely be more solid defensively than digne though.

I think the point was that while yes, digne has been a big provider previously, the first half of last season he wasn't. And your comment read like we lost someone who had been a big provider of the first half of last season, which he wasn't at all (for whatever reason). I think it's all just come from the wording and how it's been read.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Well, it's not a direct comparison is it?

One had Benitez as manager.

The other, Lampard.

One had a manager who wouldn't let him cross the half way line. He then went to Villa, 4 assists - 1 short of our talisman in Richarlison in more than half the games.

No comparison is ever going to be a perfect science.

It seems your argument is on Mykolenko scoring 1 goal during half a season, and Digne not scoring 1 goal during half a season.

The point is a simple one.

Digne created more for Everton than Mykolenko will.

In his last full season at Everton, Digne was 3rd for chances created out of all defenders in the entire league. He was 1st for a few seasons on the bounce for creating chances at Everton.

Mykolenko isn't going to replace that, and we've signed nobody else who will either.

Until we bring in players who can create chances, we're going to really struggle.
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Personally I'd settle for fewer chances rather than shipping 5 goals a few times a season.
 

davek said:
I think in terms of FBs creating chances Patterson might help out there, that's something that will have changed from last season.

The downside of that - as I'm blue in the face stressing - is that you trade that off with defensive frailty.
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Hopefully we adopt the system that when one of the FBs goes forward, the other drops in to make it effectively a 3 at the back. Or, like Barry used to do, we get a DM that drops in on the side that the FB has overlapped.

*edit. Relies on us finding a decent DM. One that is more Barry and less Delph.
 
davek said:
I think in terms of FBs creating chances Patterson might help out there, that's something that will have changed from last season.

The downside of that - as I'm blue in the face stressing - is that you trade that off with defensive frailty.
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Digne was defensively suspect. There’s hardly any fullbacks who can attack and defend very well without compromising one. I even felt Ashley Cole’s attacking was often overrated but he was amazing defensively.
 
Marius57 said:
Hopefully we adopt the system that when one of the FBs goes forward, the other drops in to make it effectively a 3 at the back. Or, like Barry used to do, we get a DM that drops in on the side that the FB has overlapped.
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Yes. And I think Lampard might rotate Patterson and Coleman if we get no more RBs in. Patterson might be used at home against 'lesser' opponents to try and get more bodies in the final third.
 

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