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Match Thread Everton v Manchester City - Preview, Match Report and MotM Poll

Everton Man of the Match

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Jonte said:
Watching and listening to Victor Anichibe’s initiation as a pitch-side Sky pundit made painful viewing for me, and brought to mind memories of W1a’s own ham-fisted Ryan Chelford on Match of the day.

His meanderings and occasional pointless outcomes was like watching someone drowning, and more than once I kept wishing he’d come to the point as his floundering was painful to watch. With no chance of the ‘prompt-card-only’ presenter intervening to save his blushes, it was left to the veteran Andy Hinchcliffe to bail him out; for some reason, Hinchcliffe sat on his hands, so on Victor irrelevantly droned, in his L23 tones......

But when the inevitable faux pas arrived, it did so in opening day Olympic style pomp ‘n’ ceremony:

With this being Cit-eh’s first outing since the Silva/Mandy incident, Sky raised the issue of continued racism in football and invited Victor’s thoughts on the matter.Correctly so, Victor was damning in his summary and grave in his delivery, especially when, he proffered, ‘the joke’ went beyond dressing room banter and strayed onto the world-wide stage of Social Media where the material would fall into the hands of the socially vulnerable, giving the green light to the uninitiated.

But wind back several minutes to when Victor was asked to comment on the issue of DCL ‘thieving’ Seamus Coleman’s goal. In arbitrary fashion, he could empathise with DCL’s claim following his recent goal-drought, but equally sympathise with Coleman’s indignance.....who he ‘jokingly’ described - to the throngs of viewers world-wide - as a typical angry I**shman. But at least it’s not said on Soshul Meedea where it can influence the vulnerable. So that’s okay then Vic.

Perhaps Sky should ensure their pundits are coached in the art of punditry and diversified before being let loose on the viewing world, as I blame them for Victor’s lacklustre performance.
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That's a completely unfair hatchet job on someone making their first attempt at live punditry. Are you some sort of expert on the art of live television. Well from considerable personal experience I can tell you that its not the easiest thing in the world . Victor gave a credible performance, kept his words interesting, and was very good about the Silva racism issue. So good in fact, that he was quoted on Sunday Supplement this morning. I think we'll see more of him. Its a skill that not all ex foootballers can be taught, because effectively you are teaching someone to be themselves, when people tend to 'act' or freeze when the camera is on them. Its the same reason why clever people can't answer the simplest question in quiz shows.
 
Jonte said:
Bit harsh on me. Just a humorous slant on the world of today using this as a vehicle. But going back to your point about him being a newbie, I’ll bet he still got paid more than the minimum wage for that diatribe, and yes as a Sky customer I expect better.

With regard to Hinchcliffe, I recall his presence was as a former City player not a blue so lay off with the violins.
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You reap what you sow buddy. I didn't detect a lot of humour in your posting,although you obviously like to write and I just hope that your style is not entirely vitriolic and is tempered with a little fairness. THEN people won't get bored with you. Good luck.
 
Steve Wigan said:
That's a completely unfair hatchet job on someone making their first attempt at live punditry. Are you some sort of expert on the art of live television. Well from considerable personal experience I can tell you that its not the easiest thing in the world . Victor gave a credible performance, kept his words interesting, and was very good about the Silva racism issue. So good in fact, that he was quoted on Sunday Supplement this morning. I think we'll see more of him. Its a skill that not all ex foootballers can be taught, because effectively you are teaching someone to be themselves, when people tend to 'act' or freeze when the camera is on them. Its the same reason why clever people can't answer the simplest question in quiz shows.
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I thought that whilst he looked a little nervous, he did an ok job for a first go.

He's quite a likeable lad I always thought.
 
Steve Wigan said:
That's a completely unfair hatchet job on someone making their first attempt at live punditry. Are you some sort of expert on the art of live television. Well from considerable personal experience I can tell you that its not the easiest thing in the world . Victor gave a credible performance, kept his words interesting, and was very good about the Silva racism issue. So good in fact, that he was quoted on Sunday Supplement this morning. I think we'll see more of him. Its a skill that not all ex foootballers can be taught, because effectively you are teaching someone to be themselves, when people tend to 'act' or freeze when the camera is on them. Its the same reason why clever people can't answer the simplest question in quiz shows.
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Erm, I was watching Everton -v- City on Sky One from 5.00pm, Steve. You appear to have been watching something else.

I’m sure I’m not alone in having found it difficult to follow the gist of what Mr. Anichibe was saying on football related matters. I agree, once the cameras roll, the brain cells can shut down, but obviously not in every case, otherwise we wouldn’t have the likes of Messrs. Lineker and Hinchcliffe waxing lyrical on all matters football. Some can, some can’t. That’s life. IMHO, and on that showing alone, he looked well out of his depth and ill-suited to this sort of thing, and I blame Sky for not having picked up on this when employing him. He appears to have been left out on a limb and for that he has my sincerest sympathies.

That said, I couldn’t believe the double standards espoused on the subject of humour-bordering-on-the-racist, after only minutes before - live on air - having transgressed himself in his ‘humorous’ description of Coleman. And it is to that that I alluded - light-heartedly I thought, but according to a number of posters it now appears I was wrong - in the final part of my original post.

Oh, the bitter sweet irony.

Brave try, Victor. Don’t ring us.......
 

Steve Wigan said:
That's a completely unfair hatchet job on someone making their first attempt at live punditry. Are you some sort of expert on the art of live television. Well from considerable personal experience I can tell you that its not the easiest thing in the world . Victor gave a credible performance, kept his words interesting, and was very good about the Silva racism issue. So good in fact, that he was quoted on Sunday Supplement this morning. I think we'll see more of him. Its a skill that not all ex foootballers can be taught, because effectively you are teaching someone to be themselves, when people tend to 'act' or freeze when the camera is on them. Its the same reason why clever people can't answer the simplest question in quiz shows.
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I didn't think he was unfair. Big Vic wasn't the most engaging of pundits, albeit he's new to the route and pointing out the double standards in stereotyping is fair.
 
Sashadoo said:
Silva has to go. Why take Iwobi off? At least he tries to move the ball forwards. For what we paid for him, why only two starts and don't forget he has two goals for us already.
Whenever he and Moise Kean have been on the field together, they've linked well and tried to make things happen. So what does Silva do? Takes Iwobi off and sends Kean on.
Kean needs someone like Iwobi to get the best out of him. Silva's subs just baffle me. Like for like with no tactical awareness or changes. We could be in the bottom three by this time next week. It was never this bad under Koeman and they got rid of him, sharpish.
How many chances does Silva get? He needs firing before we're dragged into the relegation fight. We're going backwards with this clown in charge.
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Yes, it was. In fact, it was a lot worse.

Short memories.
 
Jonte said:
Erm, I was watching Everton -v- City on Sky One from 5.00pm, Steve. You appear to have been watching something else.

I’m sure I’m not alone in having found it difficult to follow the gist of what Mr. Anichibe was saying on football related matters. I agree, once the cameras roll, the brain cells can shut down, but obviously not in every case, otherwise we wouldn’t have the likes of Messrs. Lineker and Hinchcliffe waxing lyrical on all matters football. Some can, some can’t. That’s life. IMHO, and on that showing alone, he looked well out of his depth and ill-suited to this sort of thing, and I blame Sky for not having picked up on this when employing him. He appears to have been left out on a limb and for that he has my sincerest sympathies.

That said, I couldn’t believe the double standards espoused on the subject of humour-bordering-on-the-racist, after only minutes before - live on air - having transgressed himself in his ‘humorous’ description of Coleman. And it is to that that I alluded - light-heartedly I thought, but according to a number of posters it now appears I was wrong - in the final part of my original post.

Oh, the bitter sweet irony.

Brave try, Victor. Don’t ring us.......
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Lineker is(now) a vastly experienced broadcaster and was a 'big name' who was always going to be given lots of time to get it right,and to have his personality 'sharpened up'. Hence he also has a lucrative career in crisp commercials and his football presenting. On MOTD he is more of a presenter than a pundit. Punditry is the hard bit...you have to express an opinion coherently so essentially part of the discussion becomes 'off the cuff' unscripted. Virtually everything Lineker says on MOTD is scripted and on autocue for him. Andy Hinchcliffe is a regular on Sky and has learned on the job. You haven't got to be an extrovert personality to make it, confidence CAN be taught and Victor will get more used to the 'system', although he was fine. Have a look at Clinton Morrison on the Jeff Stelling show. He has done a few weeks now and is visibly more confident,but is not and never has been an extrovert.Pitchside is usually the first step on the punditry road, its how Kevin Kilbane got his start, and the now disgraced Peter Beagrie. A place on the Stelling show is the holy grail of punditry. Sky policy is now to include more females...this is good and a few of them will have good careers. Its a competitive field,live tv in general, and the occasional appearance can not count as 'a career' .Being a 'TV personality' can make you a lot of money, and there are many areas were you can start from...sport and journalism being two of the main sources. Eamonn Holmes is a massive name now, but in the 1980s when he was just married to his first wife and living in Cheadle, he was asking me to find him voiceover work. He started as a DJ in the Lisburn/Lurgan area ,did some local radio, and trained as a journo. Good luck to Victor...he sometimes never got the credit he deserved at Everton(he was great in Europe!) and he's trying to solve the problem 'what to do after your football career finishes'...for many it has been a disaster. Nice talking to you.
 
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Steve Wigan said:
Lineker is(now) a vastly experienced broadcaster and was a 'big name' who was always going to be given lots of time to get it right,and to have his personality 'sharpened up'. Hence he also has a lucrative career in crisp commercials and his football presenting. On MOTD he is more of a presenter than a pundit. Punditry is the hard bit...you have to express an opinion coherently so essentially part of the discussion becomes 'off the cuff' unscripted. Virtually everything Lineker says on MOTD is scripted and on autocue for him. Andy Hinchcliffe is a regular on Sky and has learned on the job. You haven't got to be an extrovert personality to make it, confidence CAN be taught and Victor will get more used to the 'system', although he was fine. Have a look at Clinton Morrison on the Jeff Stelling show. He has done a few weeks now and is visibly more confident,but is not and never has been an extrovert.Pitchside is usually the first step on the punditry road, its how Kevin Kilbane got his start, and the now disgraced Peter Beagrie. A place on the Stelling show is the holy grail of punditry. Sky policy is now to include more females...this is good and a few of them will have good careers. Its a competitive field,live tv in general, and the occasional appearance can not count as 'a career' .Being a 'TV personality' can make you a lot of money, and there are many areas were you can start from...sport and journalism being two of the main sources. Eamonn Holmes is a massive name now, but in the 1980s when he was just married to his first wife and living in Cheadle, he was asking me to find him voiceover work. He started as a DJ in the Lisburn/Lurgan area ,did some local radio, and trained as a journo. Good luck to Victor...he sometimes never got the credit he deserved at Everton(he was great in Europe!) and he's trying to solve the problem 'what to do after your football career finishes'...for many it has been a disaster. Nice talking to you.
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Interesting post, Steve; thanks for sharing.

Perhaps Victor would be better with his back to the camera, like when playing with his back to goal;)
 
It's incredible how much money has been spent on failing to close the gap even the tiniest bit.

There were spells where City's arses were going, but it was still embarrassing to see how poorly Everton's £30-50m players used the ball compared to their opposite numbers.
 

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