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TX Bill
Player Valuation: £80m
1) From who.
2) Your assertion is that Hibbert never gets forward. This is factually wrong.
3) Is it wrong to expect your defenders to be actually good at defending?
Elong
The fire rises
You're right on all those points Bill, we're just saying it's nice seeing a more attacking game. Hibbert doesn't do step overs either, if he did, there'd be no contest.
*Adds Elong to the stepover trinity fan club.
1) From you. I saw what you edited out the other day, no reason to play a blind man here.
2) He's pretty damn Henderson going forward. That's factually correct.
Unless by going forward you mean just cross a ball in the box and be hopeful for it. Of course there are exceptions, but 1 right doesn't fix 50 wrongs.
3) Is it right to expect a right back, who doesn't have even the slightest function as a centre back, to be half good at attacking? Will you be content with having two "Hibberts" on both flanks? Plus it's not like Baines is an extremely good defender - he lets pretty much every cross get in and gets outplayed frequently, but fixes stuff with pace, as does Coleman, but for me that's very overlooked because, well, Baines is Baines (and rightfully so).
noharmdone
Requested to be banned
1) From you. I saw what you edited out the other day, no reason to play a blind man here.
2) He's pretty damn Henderson going forward. That's factually correct.
Unless by going forward you mean just cross a ball in the box and be hopeful for it. Of course there are exceptions, but 1 right doesn't fix 50 wrongs.
3) Is it right to expect a right back, who doesn't have even the slightest function as a centre back, to be half good at attacking? Will you be content with having two "Hibberts" on both flanks? Plus it's not like Baines is an extremely good defender - he lets pretty much every cross get in and gets outplayed frequently, but fixes stuff with pace, as does Coleman, but for me that's very overlooked because, well, Baines is Baines (and rightfully so).
Super !
Defensively Hibbert is better than Coleman, and not many would or have argued otherwise. Not just in the tackle, but in the defensive positions he takes up.
Coleman has a lot more in his attacking game, which again i don't think is being argued. So as to which is better for us, it really comes down to how you see the full back role. I think it is a lot more than just defending - he has to be able to support the attack and create chances, you only have to look at Baines to see the impact of a good attacking full back.
If we were struggling to get results, I would suggest that Hibbert would be the better option, but as we are going well and the teams confidence must be high, this is the perfect time to kep Coleman at full back as every mistake he makes isn't costing us points. Coleman is only going to get better, Hibbert probably isn't.
There is no better time to blood youngsters than when the team is doing well, so for that reason - it's Coleman for me.
Coleman has a lot more in his attacking game, which again i don't think is being argued. So as to which is better for us, it really comes down to how you see the full back role. I think it is a lot more than just defending - he has to be able to support the attack and create chances, you only have to look at Baines to see the impact of a good attacking full back.
If we were struggling to get results, I would suggest that Hibbert would be the better option, but as we are going well and the teams confidence must be high, this is the perfect time to kep Coleman at full back as every mistake he makes isn't costing us points. Coleman is only going to get better, Hibbert probably isn't.
There is no better time to blood youngsters than when the team is doing well, so for that reason - it's Coleman for me.
Azzurri
Player Valuation: £70m
Yep, and opinions are opinions, except when they're TX Bill's. Then they are facts.
I do agree though.
Hibbert is not great defender and makes loads of mistakes during the game. he gives the ball away to easily when he panics when under a little pressure, and the famous hibbert last ditch tackle is because he is caught in the wrong position and ball watches quite often. instead of looking at who is the best defender or attacker we need to look at their overall game and who brings the most to the team.
For me its coleman all day long.
For me its coleman all day long.
sexualchocolate
Player Valuation: £5m
Coleman has played less than 10 games for us at right full, Hibbert has played there for 10 years and has been poor/average for most of them, its not even a contest for me, Coleman may have been noticeably caught out a few times so far but its worth persisting with him as he's not going to learn from these mistakes on the bench - The absolute main point for me is the extra dimension that coleman adds that hibbert never has and never will, oppostion teams now have to factor in a double attacking threat on the right wing whereas with hibbo in the line up they've never had to bother, this approach which other teams now have to take is a huge part of why we are now so successful as an attacking threat..........
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Big Fat Sam
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Coleman is our best right back by a country mile.
All three of the players who can play right back for us (him, Hibbert, Neville) all have the odd error in them (some more than others), but it's the reasons for the errors that make me want him over the others.
At least when he makes a mistake it is because he is being positive, trying to get up an attack or play a smart pass to another player. When one of the other two are in their mistakes are so basic, passing to the opposition, poor spacial awareness, too slow, no football brain, etc.
Plus the fact that Coleman is improving with every game, learning from others and gaining an understanding with those around him. I am delighted he is getting a run in the side, but am interested in what will happen with Neville once Gibson is back. I fear Moyes won't be able to bring himself to drop his boyfriend and will shoe him back in at right back... I really, really hope not...
All three of the players who can play right back for us (him, Hibbert, Neville) all have the odd error in them (some more than others), but it's the reasons for the errors that make me want him over the others.
At least when he makes a mistake it is because he is being positive, trying to get up an attack or play a smart pass to another player. When one of the other two are in their mistakes are so basic, passing to the opposition, poor spacial awareness, too slow, no football brain, etc.
Plus the fact that Coleman is improving with every game, learning from others and gaining an understanding with those around him. I am delighted he is getting a run in the side, but am interested in what will happen with Neville once Gibson is back. I fear Moyes won't be able to bring himself to drop his boyfriend and will shoe him back in at right back... I really, really hope not...
The poorest defensive display I've seen by an everton right back wasn't Coleman. It was Hibbert against Malouda.
I love Hibbo and I love the way he's improved as a defender. But he's improved because we stuck with him during his bad patches. Coleman deserves the same faith.
Replacing him with a 30 year old on his way out with no attacking ability would be such a bad move.
I love Hibbo and I love the way he's improved as a defender. But he's improved because we stuck with him during his bad patches. Coleman deserves the same faith.
Replacing him with a 30 year old on his way out with no attacking ability would be such a bad move.
sexualchocolate
Player Valuation: £5m
in fairness to hibbo v malouda, he wasn't fit and shouldn't have been playing that day IMO
And he picked up a yellow card early, which didn't help. But we were at bare bones that day. Our non hibbert options were Jacobsen or one of Castillo and a 17 year old Jack Rodwell for Neville. So many damned injuries had pretty much wrecked us.
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Big Fat Sam
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Ace performance that. I remember somebody on Kipper describing him as performing "as if he was drunk".
grandjoeblue
Player Valuation: £35m
Jacobson should have started the FA cup final, Hibbo wasn't ready for that game.
Hibbert is a good solid right back probably currently slightly better than Coleman. The important thing is Coleman has the potential to be excellent and could be a top right back rather than ok which is what we need.
Hibbert is a good solid right back probably currently slightly better than Coleman. The important thing is Coleman has the potential to be excellent and could be a top right back rather than ok which is what we need.
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