Evertonians for change.

[Toffeepot]

Yeah but Moshiri is allowing him to.do that, he is paying him to do that.
See I don't have a problem with Bill but even I would like him to step aside now, this is going to take a long game plan too fix, like 5 years, at 77 he is too old to do it. Plus it might help force Moshiri to sell, which is what we need.

Saying that someone else is paying someone or allowing someone to do a poor job is not in any way a defence of the person doing the job. They are still doing a poor job. It's not his age, as much as it is his mediocrity, egotism and dithering leadership that's the problem.
He used to tell us how amazing everything would be had we more money
He got the money, was allowed to use it, no, paid to use it and he led an incompetent set up.
At least you gave an acknowledgement of his failings, even if it was accidental

 

[edge]

I like him, says it how he sees it, don't always agree with him but that's ok too

I know him in real life he is sound.

 

[4737carlin]

Saying that someone else is paying someone or allowing someone to do a poor job is not in any way a defence of the person doing the job. They are still doing a poor job. It's not his age, as much as it is his mediocrity, egotism and dithering leadership that's the problem.
He used to tell us how amazing everything would be had we more money
He got the money, was allowed to use it, no, paid to use it and he led an incompetent set up.
At least you gave an acknowledgement of his failings, even if it was accidental

Haha

All roads lead back to Farhad, before he arrived bad times were like Roberto's second season, but this is nothing like we've ever seen before, when you look at sone of the clubs like Villa and West Ham, I think they dropped in a better state then we are now

 

[4737carlin]

Nah he’s sound. Good blue. Sure he’s got thick skin from the abuse he’s had over the years but am sure his heart is in the right place.

Is he the guy who is sometimes on Talk Sport phone up in the afternoon?

 

[Toffeepot]

Haha

All roads lead back to Farhad, before he arrived bad times were like Roberto's second season, but this is nothing like we've ever seen before, when you look at sone of the clubs like Villa and West Ham, I think they dropped in a better state then we are now

Farhad barely thinks about the club...Bill is running the day to day

 

[4737carlin]

Farhad barely thinks about the club...Bill is running the day to day

I agree now, but the damage was done 12+ months ago

 

[Toffeepot]

I agree now, but the damage was done 12+ months ago

Bill was still running the day to day 12+ months ago... This club was a toy for Moshiri that was shiny and new for a bit but for the most part he just put money into it which was misspent by others. While Moshiri was wasting his money what was Bill doing? Getting paid by it and helping to waste it too.
Moshiri's biggest mistake was being charmed by Bill and not shafting him out the door day one, which by the way is no defence of Bill either, the fact that FM let him run the club is a mistake by FM but still incompetence by BK
Though many suspect that Moshiri wouldn't have been able to buy in if BK didn't maintain the reins, which seems to track with a guy that won't let go of the reins though most fans want him to

 

[4737carlin]

Though many suspect that Moshiri wouldn't have been able to buy in if BK didn't maintain the reins, which seems to track with a guy that won't let go of the reins though most fans want him to

Yeah but from a logical point of view it might of made sense to Farhad to leave him anyway, over the last few seasons we hadn't done that bad. To instantly do a clean sweep could of been very dangerous, we could of ended up in this mess 4 years ago

 

[Toffeepot]

Yeah but from a logical point of view it might of made sense to Farhad to leave him anyway, over the last few seasons we hadn't done that bad. To instantly do a clean sweep could of been very dangerous, we could of ended up in this mess 4 years ago

See, that's the problem right there. Mediocrity, and Bill's theatrical love of the plucky underdog character.
It was a new beginning, hungry, ambitious, leaders with new ideas and a modern outlook was what was needed.
Bill and his 'good times' mediocrity still linger on, if you don't blame the chairman for the mess we are in then what exactly does the man do besides take a fat wedge and tell cosy nostalgic stories to new signings and/or negotiation adversaries?
He hasn't made a public Statement since he tried to ride the coat tails of the impressive away fans at Leicester last season.
He's getting a lot of money for nada and a cushy seat in a pretigious position

 

[Allezlesblues78]

Moshiri is to blame but the group are bricking it incase he pulls the stadium

Every last one of them is culpable, they are all sat at an executive level making decisions.
Forcing Moshiri to sack his board members and hire competent business men and getting him to take a back seat is the only way to save Everton on my opinion.

 

[Allezlesblues78]

Where did I state such a thing? I just told you what is going to happen. You prefer to laugh and stick ur head in sand

No, we prefer to try and force change to save the future of Everton Football Club, your protests to the protests and denials of Kenwrights and other board members involvement is sticking your head in the sand.

 

[Hendi]

Saying that someone else is paying someone or allowing someone to do a poor job is not in any way a defence of the person doing the job. They are still doing a poor job. It's not his age, as much as it is his mediocrity, egotism and dithering leadership that's the problem.
He used to tell us how amazing everything would be had we more money
He got the money, was allowed to use it, no, paid to use it and he led an incompetent set up.
At least you gave an acknowledgement of his failings, even if it was accidental

There's something more to this than meets the eye and I reckon Kenwright wants to keep something hush. There's an odd dynamic between these two. I listened to a podcast where an ex worker at the club says if we knew what Kenwright is about we'd stop supporting the club.

 

[Allezlesblues78]

There's something more to this than meets the eye and I reckon Kenwright wants to keep something hush. There's an odd dynamic between these two. I listened to a podcast where an ex worker at the club says if we knew what Kenwright is about we'd stop supporting the club.

This kind of thing irks me, the whole if you knew the truth etc.
Why not just tell us the truth then?
I'm in no way defending Kenwright here but that kinda thing sounds like people trying to garner support for their cause while been vague.
If you get my meaning.

 

[Simon Buttle]

This kind of thing irks me, the whole if you knew the truth etc.
Why not just tell us the truth then?
I'm in no way defending Kenwright here but that kinda thing sounds like people trying to garner support for their cause while been vague.
If you get my meaning.

Agree mate, I don't get why people talk like this, if it's an ex worker what is the person worried about? Is Kewnright going to send Bellew after them if they talk or something? Let's just say for example Blue Bill is really Red Bill (its been suggested) How is that going to make people stop supporting the club?

 

[Allezlesblues78]

Agree mate, I don't get why people talk like this, if it's an ex worker what is the person worried about? Is Kewnright going to send Bellew after them if they talk or something? Let's just say for example Blue Bill is really Red Bill (its been suggested) How is that going to make people stop supporting the club?

Wouldn't say he was a red, more egotistical, smarmy and thinks he's better than regular blues and loves the club more than us.
He needs to [Poor language removed] off tho, keep [Poor language removed] off and not step foot back into the club in any capacity beyond that of a fan.