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Nebbiolo
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President Wayne Palmer, the first black president of the US.
Only joking.Always liked Bill Clinton, but don't think I'm in a position to judge, really. Don't have much time for that current joker, GB though.
I didn't like the fact that Clinton lied but would have him back in a flash instead of the current man. I don't hate Bush like some. I just don't particularly feel confident with his style and world-view.
I'm looking forward to Obama getting into power. It'll be good to have the Democrats back.
I'm not saying I hate Bush, it's just I doubt his qualities for being the most influential, powerfull and important person in the world. Just don't think he should ever have been in that position.
TX Bill
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If you and anyone else on this forum really believe that, then you can't possibly be supporting Barack Obama for President of the United States.
I hope that's crystal clear to everyone on here. They'd be contradicting themselves.
Obama doesn't have 1/10th the experience that Bush II had or McCain for that matter.
Sharpys top lip
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The dead presidents from point break.....
Now they were really cool. Surfing,sky diving, armed robbery.......coooooool!!
Now they were really cool. Surfing,sky diving, armed robbery.......coooooool!!
I read somewhere that they were making a PointBreak2, it might have already been done, lowkey shizzle, cos i dnt think Keanu or Patrick were gonna be in it or the Chillis for that matter.
http://www.slashfilm.com/2007/05/15/point-break-2-gets-a-greenlight/
Point Break is one of those movies that everyone secretly loves, but won’t admit. I mean, how can you go wrong with an undercover surfer cop who joins a group that robs banks wearing masks of former presidents? Well good news, they are making a sequel. Patriot Games scribe Peter Iliff has signed on to write and direct Point Break 2.
The new movie will be set in Southeast Asia and uncover the fate of the surfers’ leader Bodhi (played in the original by Patrick Swayze) who was supposedly (spoiler alert) killed by a giant wave at the end of the first film. The sequel will not feature the return of FBI Special Agent John ‘Johnny’ Utah (who was played by Keanu Reeves in the original), but will instead follow a surfer-turned-SEAL who is on the trail of “a criminal gang.” They hope to cast “a young male action star at the same stage in his career as Keanu (Reeves) was.”
Sounds complete and utter SH*T.
As said before, I know I'm not really qualified to judge. Don't have any preferences regarding the new president of the US, as I quite simply don't know enough facts about the current candidates. Regarding George Bush, that's only my gut feeling I expressed. Just don't feel comfortable with him in charge.
Believe the thread was about your favourite president and that's Bill clinton for me (purely based on personal feelings). Again, I don't know enough about US national politics to judge about what's the right candidate to become the next president of the US.
TX Bill
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No sweat.
Although I detest the Democrats and what they do to our country and what they stand for, I could have tolerated a Hillary Clinton Presidency.
At least I believe she would have taken foreign policy and terrorist threats seriously.
Obama doesn't have a clue.
Although I detest the Democrats and what they do to our country and what they stand for, I could have tolerated a Hillary Clinton Presidency.
At least I believe she would have taken foreign policy and terrorist threats seriously.
Obama doesn't have a clue.
evertonianstu
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Clinton. He's ace
Seamus Colemole
Previously deathbyropeandglass
Indeed. (Was it the intelligence of Clinton that was so offensive, then?)
Nebbiolo
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Bear in mind that half the population of of the USA would side with Obama given the choice on offer. Many of these people are highly articulate and have a vision of what your country should be like. Some have attended the best universities in America and have made ia great interest in politics and what it can achieve. You can't honestly believe that each of these is somehow misguided, deluded or has been sold a line and you are the person that can see through what is going on, can you?
I don't buy that, Bill. I think it is clear that you simply dislike liberals, or at least liberal government. I'm personally liberal myself but I wouldn't go so far to the left where it meant I couldn't recognise merit on the other side. I can even admire right-wing politicians if I think they're genuine. It just seems that you automatically assume the worst when it comes to the Democrats. The comments: "I detest the Democrats" and "I tolerate Hillary" kind of highlights that you're not prepared to even engage with the issues, at least to me. It sounds to me like you're in danger of becoming blinkered and closed-minded.
Just a thought, mate. And no offence meant. But you see when you say "I hate the Democrats" you're kind of also, by implication, saying you hate what I believe in.
coyney
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Now I admit I know nothing of American politics,so can only base my thoughts on how good they where to the rest of us.first JFK I dont know if it was because I was still at school when he was shot ,but I do think the racism would be far worse only for him.I also liked LBJ but with all the innuendos that he was some how involved in JF s death I'm not that sure ,I also think Clinton did a good job,OK he lied about his dalliance but what man wouldn't .the worse has to be bush his treatment of his own people during the flooding was criminal if it had been in a more affluent part of the country it would have been different,and I also disliked the fact he instigated the Iraq war that has cost so many lives of both sides.
The problem with Obama is there is 'the left', then there is 'the far left' and then somewhere past that there is Barak Obama.
I am disappointed with both candidates, even more so after watching the debate last night.
How's about we ignore the questions, and the other side and spit out pre-planned soundbytes. Because, save one occasion with McCain, that is exactly what they both did.
Made a few guys here at work happy when Senator McCain took the question from a retired Navy Chief Petty Officer to which he said "Everything I ever learned about leadership came from a Navy Chief"
I liked that. Also the lines about reducing our reliance on foreign oil irks me as it is all about the middle east when in fact the number 1 supplier of oil to the US is Canada!!!! Then Saudi Arabi, then Mexico, Venezuela and Nigeria!
Crude Oil and Total Petroleum Imports Top 15 Countries
We need to do better with our cars, and offering Hybrids like today is completely useless as they are marketed as the top-of-the-line model in the ranges and normally prices them out of the majority of the population, in addition to them taking about 5-8 years to make financial sense in recouping the premium that you originally paid.
Anyway, no to Obama, and frankly no to McCain.
I am disappointed with both candidates, even more so after watching the debate last night.
How's about we ignore the questions, and the other side and spit out pre-planned soundbytes. Because, save one occasion with McCain, that is exactly what they both did.
Made a few guys here at work happy when Senator McCain took the question from a retired Navy Chief Petty Officer to which he said "Everything I ever learned about leadership came from a Navy Chief"
I liked that. Also the lines about reducing our reliance on foreign oil irks me as it is all about the middle east when in fact the number 1 supplier of oil to the US is Canada!!!! Then Saudi Arabi, then Mexico, Venezuela and Nigeria!
Crude Oil and Total Petroleum Imports Top 15 Countries
We need to do better with our cars, and offering Hybrids like today is completely useless as they are marketed as the top-of-the-line model in the ranges and normally prices them out of the majority of the population, in addition to them taking about 5-8 years to make financial sense in recouping the premium that you originally paid.
Anyway, no to Obama, and frankly no to McCain.
TX Bill
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Wizbang
Click on link above and read the entry "Obama and Genocide."
Intelligent indeed. Obama has no business being a Senator much less POTUS but I digress.
I'm going to say something here that will no doubt offend a great many of you but here it goes.
The Democrats in our country have no moral compass. To them, morals are what you make them. That "truth" is your own truth and everyone has their own "truths." Moral Relativism at it's best.
(For the record, we've got some of the same on our side of aisle as well.)
Why is it that Democrats staunchly support such immoral ideas such as:
- Pro Abortion
- Homosexual Marriage
- Illegal Immigration
So they could have the greatest candidate for President in the world. Someone who could check all the boxes that are important for me in terms of foreign policy, the domestic economy, etc... and I still couldn't vote for them as they'd support ideas that I find morally reprehensible.
I find it ironic that liberals in our country loudly proclaim "Tolerance, tolerance !!!" EXCEPT when it comes to tolerance of opposing ideas. Then they do everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) in their power to shut down opposing views. Interesting that you never see Republicans doing that.
So yes, I automatically assume the worst about Democrats because they've shown time and time and time again to want what's worst for this country. Why you ask? Because anything that would be bad for our country would be good for them. I'm still waiting for John Kerry's "plan" to make our country better.
(For the record, he never revealed his "plan" just like he never revealed his military record that he said he'd disclose.)
I'm eagerly awaiting an Obama Presidency where he'll appoint liberal judges to our Supreme Court who'll view the U.S. Consitution as a "living, breathing document" vs. exactly how it's written. In otherwords. We'll see law made from the bench vs. voted on by the people. Not exactly how our founding fathers intended our judiciary to act. Making law from the bench vs. interpreting law from the bench? I'm having a laugh.
Since liberal ideas have constantly failed in the court of popular opinion (i.e. the voting process), the liberals know the only way they'll get their unpopular positions made into law is by bypassing the will of the people and having judges make it into law. I don't care whether you're liberal or conservative, that ought to upset you greatly if you live in a free society.
Republicans run on election platforms of what they can do for the country and what can people do for themselves. Actionable ideas.
Perfect? No. Actionable and designed to make life better for others? Yes. Designed to make people think and work for themselves vs. looking to gov't for a handout? Yes.
The Democratic platforms over the past two elections have been, "We aren't Republicans so vote for us." Even prominent Democrats have stated that the the party needs to come up with something that the country can sink it's teeth into and believe in. Unfortunately, they've haven't done so and it continues right up on through Obama and his campaign of "McCain would just be Bush all over again." Seriously. That's his mantra and campaign in a nutshell. He hasn't brought anything original to the table and certainly nothing that he could draw off of his extensive experience as a community organizer and one term Senator.
I noticed that no one addressed my comment/question about what JFK would think about today's Democratic party. I'll answer it then. It looks nothing like the party he was a part of in the 60's. Nothing at all. It's been completely hijacked by the left wing activists in our country. My wife's step mother grew up Democrat but doesn't agree with much of anything the Democrats stand for these days.
Lastly, yes, I have a big disdain for liberals and liberal beliefs. Why you ask? Simple.
List three liberal ideals that have made this world a better place:
1)
2)
3)
(Communism? Marxism? Socialism? Big Government? Pro Choice? Speech Codes? Affirmative Action? Let's keep looking....)
The fact is that liberal ideals, when applied to real world issues, continue to fail over and over and over again.
I don't have all the answers and no one does. Each of us here has a set of beliefs that we subscribe to. We aren't robots and we are all given a choice of how to live our lives and what we choose to place our faith in and what we choose to dismiss.
I'll close with one of my favorite quotes by Churchill:
"If you're twenty and aren't liberal, you have no heart. If you're forty and aren't conservative, you have no brain."
(I understand that what is "liberal" in England doesn't necessarily equate to what is "liberal" in the USA so perhaps there's some "lost in translation" issues here that I'm not aware of.)
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