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Financial Fair Play investigation

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jimmythenut said:
I imagine if a points deduction was even suggested or issued, Everton would take things to the Courts and likely sue the Premier League.

You can't give one club a slap on the wrist and the other a points deduction.
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We've agreed to go to arbitration rather than the courts by signing up to the handbook. The court will just enforce the arbitration award. ( it goes commission, appeal against commission leading to an appeal hearing, then arbitration if we disagree with second result).
 
Villa_Fan said:
Don't all sports favour the stronger athlete or team? Isn't that what seeding is for? You don't get the number 1 seed playing the number 2 seed in Wimbledon, they are in different halves of the draw and can only meet in the final. But FFP and P&S are there to stop club owners from putting the club's viability at risk. That is why the clubs voted to implement FFP.
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More clubs have gotten into financial bother 10 years following FFP than the 10 years prior to its introduction man !

If FFP was fair then why not implement a transfer or salary cap across the board regardless of a clubs revenue ?

You could also have a system where if say Moshiri or your owner could prove that a £50 millions bid for a player would be paid from the owners own pocket / clubs revenues then the transfer is agreed whereas if its from a bank loan etc. a deal is refused by the PL.

As it stands we have a system where you and I will never see either of our club win a league title. How is that fair or competitive ?
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
More clubs have gotten into financial bother 10 years following FFP than the 10 years prior to its introduction man !

If FFP was fair then why not implement a transfer or salary cap across the board regardless of a clubs revenue ?

You could also have a system where if say Moshiri or your owner could prove that a £50 millions bid for a player would be paid from the owners own pocket / clubs revenues then the transfer is agreed whereas if its from a bank loan etc. a deal is refused by the PL.

As it stands we have a system where you and I will never see either of our club win a league title. How is that fair or competitive ?
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Our only hope in the ESL reigniting.

As it stands the rest of the clubs can only dream of parading the finished 5/6th trophy.
 
JLW said:
Our only hope in the ESL reigniting.

As it stands the rest of the clubs can only dream of parading the finished 5/6th trophy.
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Sadly fans of the "other 14" clubs were more bothered about preventing the scab 6 from leaving to the ESL than of their own sides chances of winning stuff.

Stockholm Syndrome.
 

gazzaa2 said:
A fine doesn't make sense. As if it's low (thousands or low millions) then it's one players weekly or annual salary and hardly a punishment. If it's an enormous figure then as you say it's a doom loop, plus how would you even come up with a figure? Say Everton are fined 20 million pounds, it's still preferable financially and sports wise to taking the hit of relegation, therefore would still be worth the overspend and the cooking of the books with the Covid losses.
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West Ham had to pay Sheff Utd something like £35mill after they got relegated from the tevez and mascherano mess
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
As it stands we have a system where you and I will never see either of our club win a league title. How is that fair or competitive ?
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This is the crux of it. Originally, I was supportive of the principle that P&S/FFP would help ensure the financial stability of clubs, so clubs did not fold.

I still think there's a place for such regulations, too. However, intentionally or unintentionally, the rules have created a glass ceiling that means most can't compete.

Those key clubs, who were financially thriving when they were imposed, have been provided an advantage, and that advantage protects their closed shop.

In layman's terms, clubs can't spend more to close the gap or they'll fall foul of the rules unless they get success, which like us is unlikely. That puts you at risk.

I don't know what the right way is to fix it, but a bond or something with x-amount of money to cover losses over a period of ten or so years could be it.
 
JLW said:
If true then why would the club not sell Gordon in the summer when he was wanted? Unless they where under the illusion they were ok FFP wise
So why sell him in January and sign no one when we are well short of numbers and quality?

Why did the PL sanction deals for Onana Maupay and McNeil if we were close to breaching the rules?

None of it makes sense.

Well actually it does make sense in that this club is in absolute tatters and in the hands of amateurs.
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That's a good point.
 
The Esk saying the likelihood is a points deduction if charged. A points deduction but maybe less than the 9 that Portsmouth got for going into administration.

I think the only thing we could maybe survive is a 5 point deduction - 10 points will sink us.
 

Can’t see a points reduction personally, but can you imagine in the future looking back and the records say we spent considerably less than other teams, despite the owner being minted, but we’re punished for it and got relegated?
Don’t think history would frame something like that in a particularly good light.
Still the issue is the here and now I guess.
 
On the Esk again.

I disagree with him that the commission will stick to the 2021/22 figures and solely give weight to that.

How can there be no context allowed and given weight to? That's only natural justice and part of any judicial process.
 

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