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Financial (Un)Fair Play.

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Yeah, it’s not a guarantee Villa will follow our trajectory, but I think there are worrying signs of something similar.

In particular, you remind me of us under Koeman at the moment. A manager who isn’t as good as he thinks he is, with his eyes on a very particular other managerial vacancy that he wants to get to ASAP.
I think Slippy is a long way from getting the Liverpool job, that is if he ever gets it. I hope he does get it, as that will mean he has been successful at Villa. If he doesn't get Villa up the league, Liverpool will not be knocking at his door when Klopp eventually goes.
 
I think Slippy is a long way from getting the Liverpool job, that is if he ever gets it. I hope he does get it, as that will mean he has been successful at Villa. If he doesn't get Villa up the league, Liverpool will not be knocking at his door when Klopp eventually goes.
Do a find and replace on a few words there and you have many, many posts from this forum when Koeman was here eyeing up Barcelona.
 
The point is though how can a team that earns 8th/9th out of 20 ever hope to consistently jump to be where the European place teams are when they all earn at least our total wage bill on top? That's how much more they can spend on wages and fees before we even start. The only way you can is to take risks and try and do what we did - which worked for the first season, but at that point we bought badly and then were chasing our tails, partly constrained by the one year we messed up. Or do we accept our lot and just try and play safe hoping that our younger stars take the whole team forward if we have a great season and everyone else has a poor one?

Of course the latter with limited ambition will see our stars picked off by the bigger clubs as soon as they hit a certain level, so if we don't go from 10th to say 5th in a season to offer something else, a bit of growth, you are back to square one the next season.

That is what FFP has done for us because when we had Ancelotti, Pickford was playing well, Digne, Richarlison, James, DCL etc. we were then were hamstrung to kick on and get the players we needed to compete at the highest level. Chelsea, City et all got that chance sans FFP.

It's like having a world title fight and being told the champion was here already so you have to have your hands tied behind your back, so I just can't see how you can say it's at the bottom as it's integral to why we are here.
You employ a sensible strategy. We didn’t. We flung money indiscriminately.
 
How has FFP put Everton in this position? It has been free reign for the last 5 or 6 years. The position Everton is in is 100% down to the management of Everton Football Club and has nothing to do with FFP
Thing is though mate Everton and Mosh are cash rich
With us it’s stopping us investing further.
Clubs that have never been stopped from spending are sitting pretty.
It keeps them clubs firmly in the driving seat for extra cash and trophies
I understand it protects clubs spending beyond their means but in our case we are fine
Must say if anybody tried to tell me I can’t invest in my business I’d tell them to go fourth and multiply and see them in court
I’d win hands down
 

Thing is though mate Everton and Mosh are cash rich
With us it’s stopping us investing further.
Clubs that have never been stopped from spending are sitting pretty.
It keeps them clubs firmly in the driving seat for extra cash and trophies
I understand it protects clubs spending beyond their means but in our case we are fine
Must say if anybody tried to tell me I can’t invest in my business I’d tell them to go fourth and multiply and see them in court
I’d win hands down
I am with u on that. Villa owners are cash rich too. And yes it is unfair. As I suggested earlier I think clubs should be permitted to spend beyond their means but as long as the owner puts the cash into the club to cover debt. I am against allowing Moshiri or Villa owners spending money beyond the means of the football club and putting the club at risk and then if things go south the owner can just fire sale and do a runner. Look at Derby, owner overspent, he stopped pumping cash in and now they are lucky to be operating as a football club and are at significant risk. That should not be allowed to happen imo
 
I think u are highlighting the full purpose of FFP. Everton management made bad decisions after bad decisions for the last 6 years and the club is now curtailed from spending another half a billion in the next 5/6 years. If Moshiri was allowed to continue with spending and he wasted another half a billion that could put the future of Everton FC at risk. This is exactly what FFP is trying to stop happening. What happens if Moshiri spends a bucket load of cash in the coming years and decides enough is enough and leaves the club or stops funding the repayments on debt?

As I said in a previous post if an owner wants to spend his/her money which is beyond the financial means of the club they should be permitted to do so as long as there is a mechanism to guarantee the funds from the owner should viability of the club become under threat. But, imo, owners should not be permitted to gamble the future of a football club for perceived gain

There is a year to year mechanism in place, projected accounts have to be sent to the PL in March and an owner has to be able to show they are able and committed to paying the clubs losses, if they are over 15 mill over a three year period, to put that into perspective our are about 300 million, so we are pretty much doing that ever year and Mohiri is writing the cheques, its unhealthy admittedly.
 
I am with u on that. Villa owners are cash rich too. And yes it is unfair. As I suggested earlier I think clubs should be permitted to spend beyond their means but as long as the owner puts the cash into the club to cover debt. I am against allowing Moshiri or Villa owners spending money beyond the means of the football club and putting the club at risk and then if things go south the owner can just fire sale and do a runner. Look at Derby, owner overspent, he stopped pumping cash in and now they are lucky to be operating as a football club and are at significant risk. That should not be allowed to happen imo

Easy way to stop that - flat transfer or salary cap across the board.

But UEFA wont entertain it as they know the big clubs will leave and form the super league.

Hence FFP to keep their CL cartel happy and in receipt of maximum revenues.
 
Easy way to stop that - flat transfer or salary cap across the board.

But UEFA wont entertain it as they know the big clubs will leave and form the super league.

Hence FFP to keep their CL cartel happy and in receipt of maximum revenues.
Maybe in the future the rest of the clubs will wake up and try to start a new competition without the super 6 and one with a fair salary cap in operation. They should do it now really because its only going to get worse and worse.

Uefa have already inserted coefficients which will ensure some of the super 6 clubs will keep their champions league places.
 

There is a year to year mechanism in place, projected accounts have to be sent to the PL in March and an owner has to be able to show they are able and committed to paying the clubs losses, if they are over 15 mill over a three year period, to put that into perspective our are about 300 million, so we are pretty much doing that ever year and Mohiri is writing the cheques, its unhealthy admittedly.
Yeah, the problem with that is that the projected accounts submitted only project losses for the accounting year in question. I believe the allowable loss is 35m a year or 105m over the 3-year rolling FFP period. FFP is does not look at future years. For example, lets say Everton signed Messi and Ronaldo in the Jan window and gave them both 3 and a half year contracts on 25m a year. So the cost to Everton will be 25m for both players from Jan to June for the accounting year and Everton will probably be able to show they can afford the 25m. But FFP doesn't check to see if Everton can afford the commitment to 50m a year for the next 3 years. This is the big danger IMO as owners can sign contracts that last into the future and may be banking on Champs League football in order to pay the debt. If Champs League football doesn't happen then the club is screwed if the owner decides not to fund the club or doesn't have the money to do so. This is what happened Villa with our previous owner. He gambled on promotion to the PL and it failed. He didn't have the money to pay our debts and Villa came within about 48 hours of liquidation. No owner should be allowed to put any club in that position imo
 
Easy way to stop that - flat transfer or salary cap across the board.

But UEFA wont entertain it as they know the big clubs will leave and form the super league.

Hence FFP to keep their CL cartel happy and in receipt of maximum revenues.
But a flat salary cap or a transfer cap will only penalise teams that are more successful, it would be unfair not to let a successful club not invest the money generated by club activities invest in the club. Why should a well-managed club be penalised and given the same constraints as a badly managed club? That is totally unfair.
 
I think Slippy is a long way from getting the Liverpool job, that is if he ever gets it. I hope he does get it, as that will mean he has been successful at Villa. If he doesn't get Villa up the league, Liverpool will not be knocking at his door when Klopp eventually goes.

Correct though he did win a trophy for Rangers in a two horse race, for what for Rangers was a fortune, still feeling the Gerrard financial strain i believe, just hope he doesn't leave you's in trouble.
 
Correct though he did win a trophy for Rangers in a two horse race, for what for Rangers was a fortune, still feeling the Gerrard financial strain i believe, just hope he doesn't leave you's in trouble.
Maybe naively but I have a lot of faith in our CEO and our owners. The owners provide the funds and keep out of the day-to-day running of the club other than setting a vision i.e. Europe / redevelop ground etc. Purslow has vast and successful footballing experience from his time at Chelsea and Liverpool. Also, he was on the committee that wrote the FFP rules in the beginning so he should be able to navigate Villa through FFP challenges. I think if slippy starts to slip again, Purslow won't keep him at Villa and will sack him. I also believe, and again perhaps with a touch of naivety, that Purslow is controlling the spending and controlling what Slippy can do and he will make sure he operates within constraints that Purslow sets. He won't let Slippy go one a one-man glory hunt to getting the Liverpool job.
 
Maybe naively but I have a lot of faith in our CEO and our owners. The owners provide the funds and keep out of the day-to-day running of the club other than setting a vision i.e. Europe / redevelop ground etc. Purslow has vast and successful footballing experience from his time at Chelsea and Liverpool. Also, he was on the committee that wrote the FFP rules in the beginning so he should be able to navigate Villa through FFP challenges. I think if slippy starts to slip again, Purslow won't keep him at Villa and will sack him. I also believe, and again perhaps with a touch of naivety, that Purslow is controlling the spending and controlling what Slippy can do and he will make sure he operates within constraints that Purslow sets. He won't let Slippy go one a one-man glory hunt to getting the Liverpool job.

Forgot you had Purslow. Massive difference from who we have had.
 

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