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[degsy]

Haven’t seen this anywhere else on the forum but a really enjoyable, thought provoking read from Terry here. Fantastic writing.

The Resurrection of the Spirit of the Blues - Grand Old Team

Stop all the clocks, cut off the telephone,Prevent the Twitter dogs from barking their endless moan.Silence the podcast and with Z Car drum,Bring out the coffin, let the mourners come.Let aeroplanes circle moaning overhead,Trailing their banners of disaster and dread.Goodison nightmare from...

www.grandoldteam.com

..."At the other end of the scale is Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, a preposterous, absurdist belief that nothing but the best is good enough for Everton FC, some regurgitating it with all the fatuousness of the ‘School of Science’ ghost of past glories. It is the strategic equivalent of singing “We’re by far the greatest team the World has ever seen”. As a meaningless memetic chant, handed down from generation to generation, it is harmless self-delusion; regurgitating it as if it was a strategy is something quite different. It’s living the future in the past not the present. We have tradition and we have history, but “tradition is tending the flame; history is worshipping the ashes”. We should be informed by the past not conditioned by it. As the wise man says: “The past is another country but nostalgia is a deceptive illusion of life abroad”

NSNO is preposterous?? - well in theory it might be, but hey if you're gonna aim - aim high.

I get the impression he also doesn’t believe in 'The School of Science'...having maybe not seen it with his own eyes.
Well I have - it exists, well existed and will again and when he sees it, he'll know it - then maybe realise that you get School of Science by aiming for and nearly getting the (unobtainium in scientific terms) perfection of NSNO.

That's why NSNO

 

[CielosGrises]

Enjoyed the article, thanks.

I've been pretty amazed by our fans reaction this season, to choose loyalty, resilience and fight for the club despite the obvious mess it is in.

GOT had the whole spectrum of emotion and perspective - personally I sort of went through the classic grief cycle and had accepted we were destined for the Championship.

The Benitez support almost felt like a kind of self-harm - 'if we make everybody at the club suffer, maybe it will help, like a catharsis'.

Some of that is still there - the idea that if get rid of the entire current squad then that is a good thing - cut off your nose to spite your face - all very Brexit.

 

[chicoazul]

..."At the other end of the scale is Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, a preposterous, absurdist belief that nothing but the best is good enough for Everton FC, some regurgitating it with all the fatuousness of the ‘School of Science’ ghost of past glories. It is the strategic equivalent of singing “We’re by far the greatest team the World has ever seen”. As a meaningless memetic chant, handed down from generation to generation, it is harmless self-delusion; regurgitating it as if it was a strategy is something quite different. It’s living the future in the past not the present. We have tradition and we have history, but “tradition is tending the flame; history is worshipping the ashes”. We should be informed by the past not conditioned by it. As the wise man says: “The past is another country but nostalgia is a deceptive illusion of life abroad”

NSNO is preposterous?? - well in theory it might be, but hey if you're gonna aim - aim high.

I get the impression he also doesn’t believe in 'The School of Science'...having maybe not seen it with his own eyes.
Well I have - it exists, well existed and will again and when he sees it, he'll know it - then maybe realise that you get School of Science by aiming for and nearly getting the (unobtainium in scientific terms) perfection of NSNO.

That's why NSNO

It’s a really crap argument for NSNO you’ve made there Deggo. It’s out of touch posturing by those using it this way, which he covered better than I in the article.

 

[degsy]

It’s a really crap argument for NSNO you’ve made there Deggo. It’s out of touch posturing by those using it this way, which he covered better than I in the article.

Opinions innit, all about opinions.

Though I must admit as a Wordsmith he does fettle his words together nicely, but his finished piece - I'm going with a furniture/jewellery analogy here - is all a bit too Baroque and Rococo for me...It has certain echoes of your very good self in there as well...
Some might even say a veritable triumph of style over substance - but I couldn't possibly comment.

Short Version;
We're not (for many previously discussed reasons) the force we once were, Moshiri hasn't a clue, Benitez was - up to now - his worst mistake, but you couldn't bet on him not making a bigger one...which is most of the problem
We can't live in the past, but wasn't 'The Great Escape' sound...but only after we actually escaped.
The real trick is not repeating the exercise And getting the ground done.

...and your good self, all well I hope?
We have short and medium term problems, but in the long term we'll all be dead, but hey - whatya gonna do

 

[chicoazul]

Opinions innit, all about opinions.

Though I must admit as a Wordsmith he does fettle his words together nicely, but his finished piece - I'm going with a furniture/jewellery analogy here - is all a bit too Baroque and Rococo for me...It has certain echoes of your very good self in there as well...
Some might even say a veritable triumph of style over substance - but I couldn't possibly comment.

Short Version;
We're not (for many previously discussed reasons) the force we once were, Moshiri hasn't a clue, Benitez was - up to now - his worst mistake, but you couldn't bet on him not making a bigger one...which is most of the problem
We can't live in the past, but wasn't 'The Great Escape' sound...but only after we actually escaped.
The real trick is not repeating the exercise And getting the ground done.

...and your good self, all well I hope?
We have short and medium term problems, but in the long term we'll all be dead, but hey - whatya gonna do

Deggo have you succumbed to the crack by any chance? I’m good mate thanks, hope you and yours are too.

 

[degsy]

Deggo have you succumbed to the  craic by any chance? I’m good mate thanks, hope you and yours are too.

Fixed that for you mert

 

[Terry Smith]

..."At the other end of the scale is Nil Satis Nisi Optimum, a preposterous, absurdist belief that nothing but the best is good enough for Everton FC, some regurgitating it with all the fatuousness of the ‘School of Science’ ghost of past glories. It is the strategic equivalent of singing “We’re by far the greatest team the World has ever seen”. As a meaningless memetic chant, handed down from generation to generation, it is harmless self-delusion; regurgitating it as if it was a strategy is something quite different. It’s living the future in the past not the present. We have tradition and we have history, but “tradition is tending the flame; history is worshipping the ashes”. We should be informed by the past not conditioned by it. As the wise man says: “The past is another country but nostalgia is a deceptive illusion of life abroad”

NSNO is preposterous?? - well in theory it might be, but hey if you're gonna aim - aim high.

I get the impression he also doesn’t believe in 'The School of Science'...having maybe not seen it with his own eyes.
Well I have - it exists, well existed and will again and when he sees it, he'll know it - then maybe realise that you get School of Science by aiming for and nearly getting the (unobtainium in scientific terms) perfection of NSNO.

That's why NSNO

I've heard, despite his good looks, he is actually an Everton Da and the first full season he can remember is 1963. If he hadn't used such fancy marketing terms, he would have explained more clearly that he was trying to differentiate between vision and strategy. Maybe it needs rewriting and a few more thousand words ........ ???

 

[degsy]

I've heard, despite his good looks, he is actually an Everton Da and the first full season he can remember is 1963. If he hadn't used such fancy marketing terms, he would have explained more clearly that he was trying to differentiate between vision and strategy. Maybe it needs rewriting and a few more thousand words ........ ???

Welcome to the Da's club and GOT mate...unlike you, I actually look worse than my pic.
Like I told young Chico - it's all about opinions, keep on  spouting erm sorry, writing them
If I misunderstand or get the wrong end of the stick about what you're on about it means you're probably right.

 

[Terry Smith]

Welcome to the Da's club and GOT mate...unlike you, I actually look worse than my pic.
Like I told young Chico - it's all about opinions, keep on  spouting erm sorry, writing them
If I misunderstand or get the wrong end of the stick about what you're on about it means you're probably right.

Except for the Francesca incarnation?, Chico/Azul/Sam is actually a genuine hero of mine. Twitter is a perfect medium for wit and windups and he's pretty much the best. His match previews are peerless. I am really grateful he encouraged me to send it in to GOT as there is a decent balance of support and piss-taking on here, unlike the po-faced, self-important, Group Think bilge of the Whattaclubbery content. Apologies for the length & the heavy content of the article, I needed to get it off my chest. Cheers Terry

 

[degsy]

Except for the Francesca incarnation?, Chico/Azul/Sam is actually a genuine hero of mine. Twitter is a perfect medium for wit and windups and he's pretty much the best. His match previews are peerless. I am really grateful he encouraged me to send it in to GOT as there is a decent balance of support and piss-taking on here, unlike the po-faced, self-important, Group Think bilge of the Whattaclubbery content. Apologies for the length & the heavy content of the article, I needed to get it off my chest. Cheers Terry

This is the place then, none better for getting things off your chest, (just ask @Sassy Colombian ) knock yourself out mate. Fire those opinions in, spare no blushes.

 

[Terry Smith]

Not listened to any Spaces. Had twenty minutes there. Are they always like that?!!!! I didn't know the Hot Wok was an underground agitprop meeting place. I thought it was a glorified chippy.

 

[Sassy Colombian]

This is the place then, none better for getting things off your chest, (just ask @Sassy Colombian ) knock yourself out mate. Fire those opinions in, spare no blushes.

You are right, sir. I’m definitely not one to hold back when it comes to getting things off my chest

 

[Kiwi]

You mean tErRy or something like that.
Remember him ?

@Prevenger17 cheers n●ddER

 

[Prevenger17]

@Prevenger17 cheers n●ddER

 

[oglop44]

Really enjoyable read that. Thanks @Terry Smith and thanks @chicoazul for highlighting it.