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General Meeting

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davek said:
These people deal in presentation. Just about their only talent is bamboozling successive generations of Evertonians since the 1980s that they know what they're doing. They dont.

Moshiri in his speech there - what did he say precisley that impressed you? His claim that he's turned Everton from a museum into a competitive club? His continued talk about the structure of funding for a new stadium?

The feller's a con-man. I can smell it a mile off.
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Bloody hell Dave, you must be worth millions.
 
davek said:
At least we all recognised and acknowledged Kenwright was a phony...this feller still has admirers. Imagine being taken in by that flim-flam man.
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In what way is he a phoney? He's pumped money into the club - his own money and some in equity - and has pledged to do more. Under his ownership we have already increased our commercial performance massively.

The money he has pumped in hasn't - on the whole - been spent wisely. That doesn't make him a fraud.
 
davek said:
These people deal in presentation. Just about their only talent is bamboozling successive generations of Evertonians since the 1980s that they know what they're doing. They dont.

Moshiri in his speech there - what did he say precisley that impressed you? His claim that he's turned Everton from a museum into a competitive club? His continued talk about the structure of funding for a new stadium?

The feller's a con-man. I can smell it a mile off.
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A few things left me hopefull. We have often talked where the fault lay in blowing the boom, while many laid the blame at the door of managers and Dof, they were symptom of the overall problem. That being the lack of skill and competency in the governance of the club. We’re talking Elestones, Woods and the rest of the faceless men who ran the club with zero accountability of culbility. Tonight illustrated to me that since the last GM there has been a cull/revolution. What we have now is dedicated board members taking ownership of specialisms with divisions of the club. If the stadium goes belly up we know who is accountable, if the finance is to big of a bite we know who is accountable, football etc. For any organization to work you need proper corporate goverence, delegation, skill sets with in accontability and culpability. Did you notice Bill has been relegated to pretty much a cheer leader. I thought Denise energiec, dynamic and very enthusiastic she came across really well. I know the proof of the above change in governance will be in results. But I spent all last season, banging on about our lack of governance and impact on the club and the wastefulllness, so seeing this identified and attempts to rectify have me hopefull.

Secondly this is the first time Moshiri has been realistic. You may win good will from supporters by saying unrealistic things “I’ll give you everything we have got” or setting unrealistic expectations. The reality is though, his investment is limited, he’s more or less confirmed it tonight and I think he’s reluctant to put any more into the football side of it. This was always going to be the case, he was never going to compete with the CIty and Chelsea by just throwing money at it, that lesson has cost him the guts of 250 mill. The club currently is operating way beyond its means, unless there are creative outs before May we are posting a loss of 40 odd million. That is unsustainable. All that was more or less acknowledged.

What I took from tonight was a change of model and approach, instead of following the route of finance the City & Chelsea and a quick easy win, the brawn approach. We look like structurally, financially and philospecically going to build on a more self sustaining approach like Spurs and Arsenal, one that requires skill and philosopher rather then 100s of millions. If I’m honest if he had come out again and said I’ll give you 100s if millions I would be massively concerned.

So to sum up really, I am hopefull, because of the recognition of poor corporate governance and its impact on the club, the fact that structures have been put in place to attempt to rectify this . An acknowledgment by the owner that his approach this far has been fool hearty and wasteful and that a different philosophey in how we want to develop and progress the football club is required.

I’m left with a sense of realism and acknowledgement of limits, with a strategy to attempt to counter these and progress in a realistic way this year as opposed to the that I’ve been spinned as in previous years around false expectations and easy wins.
 
BlueToff said:
Moshiri's full quotes re squad - https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...d-moshiri-explains-evertons-problems-15648980

“Financing is not everything. I have thrown £250m to turn a museum into a competitive outfit,” he said.

“You just have to get it right, throwing money is not the answer.”

“Just buying players in January may not help us,” Moshiri added.

“We have too many players coming in.

“It's getting the performance level and improving them.

“It's not just rhetoric, we are very serious about what we want to do. I am fan and I look at the the table and No11 is just not good enough, I think we know that.

“I think we've got to go up the table and I think we need to utilise the fans' impatience to drive the club but we need to be patient to allow the development.

“There will be no reaction that has not been thought out.”

“The difficulty we've experienced is we lost three of our best players: John Stones, Ross Barkley and Romelu,” he said.

“They were young and on low wages and for us to lose Stones, you get £45m but he was on low wages. To replace him with a defender of that quality you need to pay him £200,00 a week. We didn't do that.

“And in replacing these three players we had to spend a lot of money and pay high wages, that's the difficulty, like for like.

“We sold Romelu for £75m and he was on £70,000 a week, in that region, you would have to pay £120m and pay £250,000 a week, so that is the challenge.

“It is why football experts of Marcel's calibre are needed, infrastructure is important and to comply with financial fair play you need to go for younger players on low wages. You might have to pay big fees but you've got to keep the wages down and that is the challenge.

“I think we've learnt, we've had bad luck, we've had poor judgement but I feel the business we did in the summer shows that we are in the right direction, but it's been difficult.”
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Fair play to him, that's fairly good football knowledge from him. I'd say he's had a bit of bad luck in how we've used his money and how managers have let them down. It sounds like he may have been advised that we need to be a tad more patient than him chopping and changing the staff quickly. He uses the word patience a few times which stands out to me and rightfully so. The best part for me is that he's not going to tolerate failure. It was a way of letting silva know he has the support, but also needs to improve.

davek said:
Reading that you;d think he wasn't the utter bellend who employed Koemageddon to make matters ten-times worse.

"We dont want to be number 11".

Lol. WTF.

The feller's a muppet.
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Haha yeah, too true dave, he should have said 11th is acceptable.
 

Bill Kenwright has also been speaking about Everton's season at their general meeting tonight.

He said: "We had a meeting beforehand with Marco and Marcel where Farhad challenged them on a few points. I don't think it has been a great seeason.l I've had horrible times but we've had some good times.

“I feel this January people are being a lot more circumspect – although it changes every day. The money is so vast now, every day you get 20, 30, 40 agents who don't have players who can get you players or get rid of players for you.

“I am really more than secure with Marco and Marcel. They won't waste money, they won't get anything they don't think will improve us. You have to make sure if you bring someone in, the lads feel progress."
 
davek said:
Just reading Baxendale's speech: utter drivel from start to finish. Corporate hogwash like "long-term, holistic football strategy and principles".

And Moshiri with his BS: "I have spent £250m to turn a museum into a competitive outfit". No you haven't, on both counts. You utter charlatan.


"Winning the title" in "our new stadium".

FFS, what a toe curling bunch of hucksters we have on our hands here.
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And if they would of said the opposite, then you would of said these bunch of phoneys have no ambition!!
 
Efcjake said:
Just found this from last year's AGM

01/09/2018 13:32


RE: "We hope, in a year, to secure funding and planning, and to conclude designs, and then we're looking at three years to build on what is a complex site. If all goes to plan, we hope to be kicking-off at Bramley Moore-Dock in August 2022. Committed? Yes. Optimistic? Yes. But the enduring message is that there is still lots to do.”



But I guess we're all just being negative moaners for expecting the club to follow through with what they say.
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Doesn't the expression "We hope.." mean anything?
 

Let them go with it. It sounds great. If it does go hits up we're just back to now. As John Power said Live the dream.
 
BlueToff said:
In what way is he a phoney? He's pumped money into the club - his own money and some in equity - and has pledged to do more. Under his ownership we have already increased our commercial performance massively.

The money he has pumped in hasn't - on the whole - been spent wisely. That doesn't make him a fraud.
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Counterfeit money, mate.
 

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