PaulPowersTash
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There is no chance on this gods earth that Pep would be sacked. None.
He could walk. Which he might. But sacked? No.
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Guardiola to be found out in the premier league
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There is no chance on this gods earth that Pep would be sacked. None.
He could walk. Which he might. But sacked? No.
As a blue, desperate for Man City to do well and stop them winning anything, I do find it frustrating that Pep doesn't play with a plan B.
Its almost an arrogance that they don't change the system. If they still had Edin Dzeko or similar in their ranks you feel they'd have more points this season
Its almost an arrogance that they don't change the system. If they still had Edin Dzeko or similar in their ranks you feel they'd have more points this season
FCBarça
Player Valuation: £10m
He wants to win but is not cynical, he has a philosophy he believes in and sticks to it. That has served him well at each club, no need for a plan B when A works better than most
PaulPowersTash
Player Valuation: £15m
However, Plan A hasn't worked better than most for almost 18 months now has it? (Einstein's definition of insanity and all that). I can't think of any other top flight manager who doesn't have a Plan B? Without it we are 100% predicable. Hence the reason why teams & other managers have cottoned on to it. He will not play with a traditional centre forward like Dzeko (who scored more very important goals than most people ever imagine). He refuses to use the long ball / diagonal ball tactic like Klopp does with devastating effect. For a manager who supposedly views football like a game of chess he is actually playing draughts! The overall recruitment of players to the club in recent years has been highly questionable. He took over a team that included players like Silva, Kompany, Aguero, Toure, Zabaleta, Dzeko, etc hardly journeymen footballers and replaced them with Zinchenko, Rodri, Mahrez , Cancelo etc not exactly upgrades.
Not to have recruited another top class striker to replace Sergio is criminal. He has been on the wane for at least 2 years now (if not longer). He's had 3 goes at filling a basic position like left back and failed.
Don't get me wrong, what he has done and achieved for City is truly historic and may never be repeated by any other club (100 points and the domestic quadruple) - however, that was then. This is now. It would just be so 'typical City' to recruit Messi in January and then miss out on a top 4 spot for the Champions League. It really would...
FCBarça
Player Valuation: £10m
@PaulPowersTash What's the metric for not succeeding in your mind? Not winning the league or CL despite having pushed Liverpool & Klopp to be nearly perfect? The metric for success is not only about titles/points, it's also about a culture shift & entertainment. I see more possession based football in England, passing & making use of spaces and gaining numerical superiority in attack while not shunning the intensity & pace of English football
On City's side, they have also suffered dramatic injuries since he has been at the club and still doesn't have an ideal pair of FBs the way Liverpool do which is key to the tactics of both coaches
Long ball will never be a staple of Pep's football, it'll be an occasional weapon but that sort of pinball football works best when you have a high octane group pressing all over the pitch
Rodri is a new addition and a terrific one to replace Fernandinho who was ideal for Pep like Yaya/Busquets was at Barca but in the end Pep knows this DM position better than any other coach on the planet IMHO. Personally I would've opted for his midfield partner in Thomas but clearly not all of Guardiola's criteria were met by Partey. Sometimes you make mistakes in the market too, Mahrez was an alternative to Alexis Sanchez who ended up making a mistake to go for the money at United and Pep got left with a player who is a shadow of his former self. I think Riyad is a bit gutless out there tbh, you need protagonists in the attacking third. That's where losing Sane really hurts City but may be mitigated a bit by Ferran. Zinchenko is a great/cheap acquisition as a squad player. A midfielder playing in defense no less. Just a shame that Mendy, Walker & Cancelo are so mediocre
Ultimately though, City play attractive football and while I had gotten the sense Pep was tiring of the English press & officiating bias Messi's pending arrival was likely linked to his extension. While I agree it is a mistake to have not sought out a longterm replacement for Kun, scoring will not be an issue if they solve their problems in midfield & at FB and Leo will solve a lot of problems
On City's side, they have also suffered dramatic injuries since he has been at the club and still doesn't have an ideal pair of FBs the way Liverpool do which is key to the tactics of both coaches
Long ball will never be a staple of Pep's football, it'll be an occasional weapon but that sort of pinball football works best when you have a high octane group pressing all over the pitch
Rodri is a new addition and a terrific one to replace Fernandinho who was ideal for Pep like Yaya/Busquets was at Barca but in the end Pep knows this DM position better than any other coach on the planet IMHO. Personally I would've opted for his midfield partner in Thomas but clearly not all of Guardiola's criteria were met by Partey. Sometimes you make mistakes in the market too, Mahrez was an alternative to Alexis Sanchez who ended up making a mistake to go for the money at United and Pep got left with a player who is a shadow of his former self. I think Riyad is a bit gutless out there tbh, you need protagonists in the attacking third. That's where losing Sane really hurts City but may be mitigated a bit by Ferran. Zinchenko is a great/cheap acquisition as a squad player. A midfielder playing in defense no less. Just a shame that Mendy, Walker & Cancelo are so mediocre
Ultimately though, City play attractive football and while I had gotten the sense Pep was tiring of the English press & officiating bias Messi's pending arrival was likely linked to his extension. While I agree it is a mistake to have not sought out a longterm replacement for Kun, scoring will not be an issue if they solve their problems in midfield & at FB and Leo will solve a lot of problems
Ring master
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Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
If you had Digne, DCL and Richarlison in your team you'd walk the league.
Signing Messi seems to be insanity to me...
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
@PaulPowersTash also you could have got Reguilon in at LB in the summer...
Surprised Pep didnt make a move.
Surprised Pep didnt make a move.
JobForTheMoyes
Player Valuation: £40m
Not cynical?!? Their whole game revolves around strategic fouls high up the pitch to stop the opposition from breaking.
One of the most cynical teams going.
he is the epitome of cynical football. Half his plan at barca, bayern and city up til last season revolved around fouling the opposition every time you lost the ball
JobForTheMoyes
Player Valuation: £40m
It actually pisses me off how the refs let them get away with it. If they clamped down on this and the diving it would really improve the game. It is cheating, plain and simple.
To be fair, they have. There is a long post in this somewhere in this thread, but the short version is when Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher did their now traditional session at the ref's centre of excellence before the start of last season one thing they talked about was a clampdown on tactical fouls.
First City game of the season sterling gets booked for one and they end up conceeding two on the break against Spurs, they looked lost on the day when the picked up a few yellows. History repeated itself a good few times, especially against wolves which was also really early that season and they had a few yellows and Adama traore just ran through them and they couldnt foul. It was a blow to them at the time & for me it remains as big a headache for Pep today as it did at the start of the season.
Like he lost his superpower.
KaiserEFC
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Just need them to clamp down on Salah and Mane’s constant diving now eh fellow toffee?!
PaulPowersTash
Player Valuation: £15m
But when Liverpool or United do it and they do repeatedly it’s a ‘clever foul’ or it’s
‘taking one for the team’. Funny that?
it was Garry Neville brought it into the media spotlight against City for a reason.
There is a no more cynical manager than Klopp - bar none. But because he’s the
grinning media golden boy it never gets mentioned.
Did you mention diving? I’ll give you Mane & Salah. End of.
No arguement re diving and Salah/Mane & would add "England's won a penalty with guile" Kane to that, but on the cynical fouling, all teams take one for the team, the difference with Gaurdiola was it was his entire defensive strategy, just pull them down on any turnover.