Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

[stony]

1) It would be appreciated if you could avoid using culturally insensitive/racist terms such as "petroleum dollar country". Its not amusing, it just makes you look a bit childish.

2) Why are Manchester Citys commercial deals not 100% of their commercial revenue? This doesnt make sense.

3) The companies listed are separate companies. We have been over this multiple times. People can and do sit on multiple boards, this does not make the company the same. A court has established they are different companies. Your position that they are the same company because they may share a common shareholder or board member in an incorrect assertion and a wild conspiracy theory.

4) Nobody is saying that Manchester Uniteds sponsors will pull out, but merely stating if they did they would be in financial difficulty. It is a hypothetical scenario. In the same way it's a hypothetical scenario if Manchester Citys sponsors pull out. Basically if any clubs commercial partners pull out, those clubs will be in deep financial difficulties. This is not a singular problem to Manchester City, as you seem to suggest.

No one bats an eyelid that Bayern are part owned and sponsored by the same company. Stoke City are not only owned by a betting company, they are sponsored by it. No one says a thing. It must just all those dodgy blokes with the grinning beards as the Guardian columnist Barney Roney likes to call them who can't be trusted.

 

[catcherintherye]

No one bats an eyelid that Bayern are part owned and sponsored by the same company. Stoke City are not only owned by a betting company, they are sponsored by it. No one says a thing. It must just all those dodgy blokes with the grinning beards as the Guardian columnist Barney Roney likes to call them who can't be trusted.

Yes spot on.

It's never phrased the same way though is it? When Europeans (and lets be honest white Europeans) do it it's phrased as intelligent, sensible, philanthropic etc. Nobody ever assumes Bet 365 and Stoke are the same company, or that Their manager works for Bet 365, or that his achievements are belittled because of it. Same with Bayern. I didn't even know that until you told me today, that's the lack of information there is on it.

Consider also, that Liverpools ownership have LeBron James as a formal partner who is also a commercial partner of Nike who are sponsors or Liverpool. Would anyone assume this is corrupt? Or that Nike are the same company as Liverpool? Or that Liverpool and Jurgen Klopp are in any way responsible for the crimes of Nike? Of course not, because it would be ludicrous.

Yet the same standards are just not applied to a group of wealthy Muslims/Arabs who own Manchester. In what is (according to the faith organisations for Muslims) an Islamaphobic country. Maybe it's all just a coincidence though. And there's nothing wrong with describing said people as "grinning beards" (and this in what purports to be a liberal, progressive newspaper) and we are out of order for suggesting it might be racism. I mean people can make their own minds up I suppose. But if you don't think it'a racism, there aren't half a lot of coincidences stacking up there.

 

[stony]

Yes spot on.

It's never phrased the same way though is it? When Europeans (and lets be honest white Europeans) do it it's phrased as intelligent, sensible, philanthropic etc. Nobody ever assumes Bet 365 and Stoke are the same company, or that Their manager works for Bet 365, or that his achievements are belittled because of it. Same with Bayern. I didn't even know that until you told me today, that's the lack of information there is on it.

Consider also, that Liverpools ownership have LeBron James as a formal partner who is also a commercial partner of Nike who are sponsors or Liverpool. Would anyone assume this is corrupt? Or that Nike are the same company as Liverpool? Or that Liverpool and Jurgen Klopp are in any way responsible for the crimes of Nike? Of course not, because it would be ludicrous.

Yet the same standards are just not applied to a group of wealthy Muslims/Arabs who own Manchester. In what is (according to the faith organisations for Muslims) an Islamaphobic country. Maybe it's all just a coincidence though. And there's nothing wrong with describing said people as "grinning beards" (and this in what purports to be a liberal, progressive newspaper) and we are out of order for suggesting it might be racism. I mean people can make their own minds up I suppose. But if you don't think it'a racism, there aren't half a lot of coincidences stacking up there.

When Khaldoon came out and said the attacks on city are clear and organised. He was talking about certain American owned clubs using their contacts in both football and the media, to attack and destabilise the club. Certain journos are obviously being briefed. Take Liverpool fan Miguel Delaney. He's like a one man crusade against our owners. All the usual city bingo stuff is there. Slave owning tyrants who are just sportswashing. Then you find out he wasn't so bothered about slave owning tyrants when he was employed by them. A City fan on Twitter absolutely ruined him and posted all his hypocrisy. He reacted rather bizarrely and accused the City fan of working for the club. He had a proper drunken meltdown. And this a man who is regularly quoted online and in the media as being a credible source of information. In reality he is exactly what he accused the City fan of being. A paid shill.

 

[stony]

Yes spot on.

It's never phrased the same way though is it? When Europeans (and lets be honest white Europeans) do it it's phrased as intelligent, sensible, philanthropic etc. Nobody ever assumes Bet 365 and Stoke are the same company, or that Their manager works for Bet 365, or that his achievements are belittled because of it. Same with Bayern. I didn't even know that until you told me today, that's the lack of information there is on it.

Consider also, that Liverpools ownership have LeBron James as a formal partner who is also a commercial partner of Nike who are sponsors or Liverpool. Would anyone assume this is corrupt? Or that Nike are the same company as Liverpool? Or that Liverpool and Jurgen Klopp are in any way responsible for the crimes of Nike? Of course not, because it would be ludicrous.

Yet the same standards are just not applied to a group of wealthy Muslims/Arabs who own Manchester. In what is (according to the faith organisations for Muslims) an Islamaphobic country. Maybe it's all just a coincidence though. And there's nothing wrong with describing said people as "grinning beards" (and this in what purports to be a liberal, progressive newspaper) and we are out of order for suggesting it might be racism. I mean people can make their own minds up I suppose. But if you don't think it'a racism, there aren't half a lot of coincidences stacking up there.

The context the grinning beards line was appalling. He basically said the only reason the white executives were involved was to "split up the row of grinning beards" It's clear and blatant racism in a respected national newspaper. Honestly fail to see how people can't see it.

 

[Yarrgh]

I think the commenters have outlined exactly how it can be intepreted as racist, but I can also see why you wouldn't feel that way. It's a forum, and different opinions are what drives it.

I said it was racist because I feel it was racist and if I see racism or other prejudices I try to challenge them. I don't need to score points on a football forum mate. I don't mind the poster, he seems a bright bloke on different things, but thought the comments were out of line.

Usmanov got convicted of fraud yes. I personally wouldn't waste my time protesting against every person who has committed fraud. People may want to and good luck to them, but it's not my thing. Most billionaires you meet won't have a perfect past. Be it Usmanov, John Henry, the Glaziers, Mansour or anyone else. It's sort of the point though, that if you only hold one set of owners to account, as if they are all that is wrong with football in the modern world, you (and that's the plural you) would be missing what is now a pretty grubby, soulless game. Sheikh Mansour is a product of that environment not a cause. Football sold it's soul 20 odd years ago. We now see the consequences.

But anyway, the two lads in question expressed the points I was trying to make better than me, which was sort of my point.

Usmanov's conviction was overturned. His name was cleared. No need to waste your time protesting against something that doesn't exist.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I mean, Guardiola has been a success in the Premier League

You can argue the money he's had to spend all you want, but if Tuchel wins the League this season after spending a boatload on Lukaku or Klopp wins the League after all the ridiculous spending Liverpool have done over the past 3 years or so then it still counts as a success

He wasn't "found out", regardless of what happens from now

He showed up and won the chuffing lot from a domestic perspective. Hasn't won the CL with them, but that's Europe and a different thing

I also think he adapted his ways a little bit too. He didn't just come to England and play "Pep-ball"

He came to England, struggled a bit the first season but then adjusted and conquered all before him

If he was just a dude who walked into already successful teams and won stuff then he wouldn't have won a chocolate gateux at Man City, let alone all the pots he's picked up since going there. He actively helped make quite a few players in that squad better, just look at Sterling for instance

Whenever he chooses to leave England he will leave it with his reputation intact

 

[catcherintherye]

The context the grinning beards line was appalling. He basically said the only reason the white executives were involved was to "split up the row of grinning beards" It's clear and blatant racism in a respected national newspaper. Honestly fail to see how people can't see it.

I would tend to agree. I mean I tend to hold the view people will have their own opinions and reasons for those opinions, but I do find that particular line, where they are clearly referencing people's race as the reason for the disparaging remark as to how it can be anything other than racism to be honest.

 

[catcherintherye]

Usmanov's conviction was overturned. His name was cleared. No need to waste your time protesting against something that doesn't exist.

Ah ok. If that were the case I'm not sure why it would be an expectation for me to protest? This is what I mean really, there seems to be real double standards in expectations and behaviours. I can tell you what I would protest though, my owners posing for selfies with Donald Trump.

 

[catcherintherye]

When Khaldoon came out and said the attacks on city are clear and organised. He was talking about certain American owned clubs using their contacts in both football and the media, to attack and destabilise the club. Certain journos are obviously being briefed. Take Liverpool fan Miguel Delaney. He's like a one man crusade against our owners. All the usual city bingo stuff is there. Slave owning tyrants who are just sportswashing. Then you find out he wasn't so bothered about slave owning tyrants when he was employed by them. A City fan on Twitter absolutely ruined him and posted all his hypocrisy. He reacted rather bizarrely and accused the City fan of working for the club. He had a proper drunken meltdown. And this a man who is regularly quoted online and in the media as being a credible source of information. In reality he is exactly what he accused the City fan of being. A paid shill.

Absolutely right that mate.

Imagine white American's, who benefited off the labour of hundreds of years of slavery to build their nation, who still run unpaid chain gangs across states to this day, having the brass neck to accuse anyone else of being slave owning tyrants? Most of the American ruling class also have indirect and direct links back to that time as well. And not a penny's reparation has been paid.

I'd love to know why blokes like Delaney are not busy investigating that? Why is it above any comment if it's white American's doing it? Or American government's blowing up kids all over the world with their unnecessary wars? Basically sports journalists should avoid trying to go down the moral condemnation line, unless they are prepared to be consistent with it. The worlds biggest human rights abuse exporter is the USA.

 

[Yarrgh]

Ah ok. If that were the case I'm not sure why it would be an expectation for me to protest? This is what I mean really, there seems to be real double standards in expectations and behaviours. I can tell you what I would protest though, my owners posing for selfies with Donald Trump.

Yep, that I'd protest against too. That creep is as rotten as they come.

 

[stony]

Absolutely right that mate.

Imagine white American's, who benefited off the labour of hundreds of years of slavery to build their nation, who still run unpaid chain gangs across states to this day, having the brass neck to accuse anyone else of being slave owning tyrants? Most of the American ruling class also have indirect and direct links back to that time as well. And not a penny's reparation has been paid.

I'd love to know why blokes like Delaney are not busy investigating that? Why is it above any comment if it's white American's doing it? Or American government's blowing up kids all over the world with their unnecessary wars? Basically sports journalists should avoid trying to go down the moral condemnation line, unless they are prepared to be consistent with it. The worlds biggest human rights abuse exporter is the USA.

The simple and uncomfortable truth is that everyone who has a smart phone or wears branded sportswear is in no position to take the moral high ground about working conditions and slavery.

 

[EverTheOptimist]

Well done Daniel Levy, restored my faith in Football, stuck to his guns and kept his talisman.

Should make the title race more interesting, now instead of a procession, City won't have the advantage of a congested league and use their vast petro dollar state bought squad as an advantage this season, it will be a lot closer, them not having a bonafied striker of the ilk of Kane this season should be interesting to see how Guardiola copes.

Also would have made a mockery of Football if the state owned petro dollar club had spent £250 million on 2 players when they have had £300 million losses during this pandemic.

 

[Yid4life]

Guardiola announces he won't renew his City contract when it expires in two years time on the same day they fail to buy Kane.

Good day all around.

 

[roydo]

Guardiola announces he won't renew his City contract when it expires in two years time on the same day they fail to buy Kane.

Good day all around.

That right? Crickey. Had better days Rodders.

 

[Narntwinnysivven]

Looking forward to another 50,000 word essay from Catcher on how the racist American owners sided with the Springfield Gazette, Donald Trump and the ghost of General Franco to drive Pep out.