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Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

StreetEndBlue said:
Even Andy Burnham getting slaughtered by City fans on the awful site, 'Bluemoon'.

Not used to losing are they these lot? Toys, dummies, cots, nappies, prams the works being unceremoniously launched all over the place over there since last nights humiliation.
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But but but they’re all sound and just like Evertonians and have all suffered through seeing their team relegated etc??? At least that’s what the ones on here always say
 
johnjoeefc said:
So people rate Guardiola as this great manager perhaps the best in the world but what defines a great manager.
Should a manager who is managing Barcelona with the best team in the world win the league and champions league... yes. he won the champions league twice with barcelona out of four attempts, he won the league 3 times out of 4. Is Luis Enrique a great manager too? or does he just managing a great team?
Should a manager with Bayern Munich win the champions league, a team who in his era there perhaps the best in the world.... yes, he didnt win it. He won the bundesliga 3 times but hardly surprising when he signed all their rivals best players from them, eg Lewandowski and Gotze.
My main point being, he failed at Bayern Munich, the league was a gimme for the them but ultimately the champions league he didnt even reach a final.
As for the premier league when did a team last win the league playing Barca esque style football? I dont think its been done. Look what that style did to Everton last season. Then compare Leicester's effective counter attack style.
For me Guardiola has done what has been expected of him as a whole on his career and certainly is no elite manager. His style will be found out and I expect him be struggling next season. I cant understand the hype and odds suggest Man City are huge favourites to win the league... not for me.
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Well done mate, nearly 10 years and you’re spot on.
 

I am incredibly concerned about him. As a sufferer of Asperger's, I can see a lot of what I exhibit in him. He is under immense pressure at the moment and I don't think he's equipped to actually deal with it. The cuts and the comments will get the headlines, but the dissociation and quiver in his voice are what worries me the most. I've been there and it's very hard to get out of it.
 
kenada_blue said:
Couldn't turn a player like Phil Neville into a serial title winner. He'd rip his own face off in front of the park end if he managed a team like ours.

Silverspoon manager. Not THE greatest.
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It does open questions of the supposed super managers.

He has consistently had the most resources and inherited title winning and some cases euro cup winning squads, no doubt a dedicated and brilliant coach, but is he really that far ahead of others?

Kompany who struggled so much last season is now top of the Bundesliga by 6 points because he has the best players. Its why I put managers who genuinely changed the clubs they were at ahead of him.
 
Walken said:
It does open questions of the supposed super managers.

He has consistently had the most resources and inherited title winning and some cases euro cup winning squads, no doubt a dedicated and brilliant coach, but is he really that far ahead of others?

Kompany who struggled so much last season is now top of the Bundesliga by 6 points because he has the best players. Its why I put managers who genuinely changed the clubs they were at ahead of him.
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I even think his style that reinvented English football (which is the biggest reason to say he's "the greatest") is being slowly moving away from.

Dare to say it but I think teams are moving towards Klopp's style and Carlos 442 rather than percentage tikitaka now. Mainly because you see how suicidal it is every week.

Oh and City cheated to get him the riches too
 

There’s no manager that’s lived such a charmed existence without having to really lay the groundwork somewhere and literally build from scratch.

Barca B - Future stars in a crap league
Barca - Incredible squad
Bayern - European champions
City - English champions

Every club has also had vast resources compared to 99% of those around them.
 
johnjoeefc said:
So people rate Guardiola as this great manager perhaps the best in the world but what defines a great manager.
Should a manager who is managing Barcelona with the best team in the world win the league and champions league... yes. he won the champions league twice with barcelona out of four attempts, he won the league 3 times out of 4. Is Luis Enrique a great manager too? or does he just managing a great team?
Should a manager with Bayern Munich win the champions league, a team who in his era there perhaps the best in the world.... yes, he didnt win it. He won the bundesliga 3 times but hardly surprising when he signed all their rivals best players from them, eg Lewandowski and Gotze.
My main point being, he failed at Bayern Munich, the league was a gimme for the them but ultimately the champions league he didnt even reach a final.
As for the premier league when did a team last win the league playing Barca esque style football? I dont think its been done. Look what that style did to Everton last season. Then compare Leicester's effective counter attack style.
For me Guardiola has done what has been expected of him as a whole on his career and certainly is no elite manager. His style will be found out and I expect him be struggling next season. I cant understand the hype and odds suggest Man City are huge favourites to win the league... not for me.
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Its taken 8 years but you were right ;)

Well played, take a bow :)
 

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