Handball ref? Ref?

[Dario Terracotta]

I would absolutely LOVE to see the cryarsing on here if that last night was given against us.

PGMOL on the Onana pen v City: "The VAR looks at it to see if it's clear and obviously wrong and he's not going to come to that conclusion when he sees the arm up by the side of the head, blocking a shot towards goal and therefore it's a credible penalty kick outcome."

So yes, that is my actual take on handball.

That to me is it in a nutshell,I would be 90% certain they would have given a penalty against us in that same scenario.

 

[LocalNative]

It looks to me that they are consistantly looking at ways not to give us a decision,you can say I am paranoid but I am afraid the actual “facts”as well as the non sending off opposition players are very,very telling and condemning of this charade of a league.

You’re being paranoid, every single club is facing poor decisions that go against them. Some more than others.

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[Miked1e]

You’re being paranoid, every single club is facing poor decisions that go against them. Some more than others.

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Note that this is only overturned VAR decisions…. We need to in fact to have the decision go in our favour for it to be overturned to showcase a negative impact.

The issue is we don’t get the decisions in the first place…

 

[Nymzee]

It’s a penalty mate. He’s lifted his arms towards the ball, deliberately or not, you don’t run with your arms stretched out like an eagle. You run with your arms by your side.

Watch the clip, watch his arms as he's running, he does the same actions with them the whole way through. Nothing he does on the line is different.

 

[Bwana]

Bouncing off the bar, the ball wasn't traveling towards the net. It was goal bound only after a clear touch by Robinson's hand/arm. We don't know if Dom would've made it to the ball (he probs would've missed anyway), he clearly reacted to handball. It shouldn't be mattering anyhow: The thing is, we never get to know whether an attacker will be at the end of any cross getting touched accidentally by defenders' outstretched arms/hands, and still those are penalties.

It was a stonewall peno not given, again.

 

[Nymzee]

Bouncing off the bar, the ball wasn't traveling towards the net. It was goal bound only after a clear touch by Robinson's hand/arm. We don't know if Dom would've made it to the ball (he probs would've missed anyway), he clearly reacted to handball. It shouldn't be mattering anyhow: The thing is, we never get to know whether an attacker will be at the end of any cross getting touched accidentally by defenders' outstretched arms/hands, and still those are penalties.

It was a stonewall peno not given, again.

If you were in charge of the rules, would you want situations like that being given as a pen 100% of the time?

 

[Bwana]

If you were in charge of the rules, would you want situations like that being given as a pen 100% of the time?

Nope, kills the game. But I haven't made up these current rules. According those + what we've seen previously yesterday's should've been a spot kick.

 

[Nymzee]

Nope, kills the game. But I haven't made up these current rules. According those + what we've seen previously yesterday's should've been a spot kick.

Then shouldn't you be advocating for those NOT to be given, applaud the officials for finally getting one right, and hoping it sets a positive precedence going forwards?

If we continually ask for stuff like last night to be begin just because X team also got one, when will officiating ever start being good?

 

[ClausThomsen]

Absolute nothing incident.

If you think it's evidence of a wider conspiracy against Everton then you really need to step away from football for a bit.

 

[RD2910]

Nope, kills the game. But I haven't made up these current rules. According those + what we've seen previously yesterday's should've been a spot kick.

Which is the one we've seen previously which means this one should be a penalty?

 

[Bwana]

Then shouldn't you be advocating for those NOT to be given, applaud the officials for finally getting one right, and hoping it sets a positive precedence going forwards?

If we continually ask for stuff like last night to be begin just because X team also got one, when will officiating ever start being good?

Yep, at the start of a season. It's the same thing with a single match: The ref defines "the line" with his first call on a foul. After that it should be the same for both teams. 'till the full time whistle. Same outcomes for similar kind of breaches of the rules. Consistency is the key word here. Now at least in Everton's matches there is no such thing in sight when it comes to penalty calls, not with the refs and sure enough not with VAR.

 

[matty1878]

I know this could go in the VAR thread, but it's irritaing me that I don't know what the rules are with handball. When I was a nipper, and it could be my memory is playing tricks on me, if it struck your arm it was handball. Tough luck. I have a hazy memory of discussion around accidental vs non-accidental, but that might have been later.
I'm obviously biased, but I don't understand how that wasn't handball last night. Because he knocked it towards goal, because there was a goal-line review? I know that there is an element of subjectivity in relation to whether a foul is a foul and I can accept that (e.g. not sure about Godfrey's yellow card, but fine, I can see why it was given as a free kick). But surely if that had hit his hand anywhere else on the pitch that was handball? What's the rules yo? I feel like I'm watching something like ice-hockey or basketball and there is a foul but I don't know why, it's annoying. Help a middle-aged simpleton to understand please

a nipper lol

 

[Miked1e]

ok so should go in the VAR thread…. That Chelsea shout for a penalty I guarantee would have gone against us.

It was a clear penalty all day long.

 

[Bwana]

Which is the one we've seen previously which means this one should be a penalty?

Any accidental handball given so far. Keggers, Onana...

 

[Rita_Poon]

Not getting anything out of var when we want points back from Trotters Independent Traders or whomever is running the punishment for one club and only one club to date.