How dirty do you like it?

[fabricsince1985]

Only on an everton forum could the most recently update threads be the 'Amanda Holden' and 'How dirty do you like it' threads. May I suggest a thread merge?

I would prefer everton to play hard but fair. It helps to have a bit of snide in the team, in the mirallas/heitinga sense and you absolutely need to have players that will give it back. I can't stand diving and feigning injury, Richarlison is so frustrating in that sense as it makes the game less enjoyable. On the other hand, I quite like seeing Salah getting shot as it fits how I see that club in my head. If one day he got banned for diving, that would be great but, if that's winning to them and they're happy with it...so be it.

 

[degsy]

Sorry to disappoint you but this is in the correct forum.

I'm talking about that side of the game often referred to in euphemisms. dark arts, no nonsense, hardman, let them know you're there. The beautiful game is full of dirty, sniding cheats.

All fan bases are the same when it comes to this. In the same way we idolised Pat Van Den Hauwe and hated Tommy Smith, If Peter Reid had played for the rs, we'd have been calling the UN after every other tackle. Whereas, if Steve McMahon had stayed at Everton, he'd probably be a Goodison legend.

The truth is, all great teams have been able to 'look after themselves' and 'dish it out' while cleverly 'winning free kicks' to run the clock down when it was deemed necessary. Revie's Leeds took it to a whole new level. And there are some fine examples of snide and brutality from Italy and South America.

It's often said that we're too nice and that we need more snide and players who can look after themselves.

So what levels are you prepared to go to for success? How low can you go guys and girls? Which players, past or present, could give us an edge in this sense? What would be you're all time dirty, cheating snide 11? a side no-one would look forward to playing.

Or are you a true Corinthian?

Hard but fair please
Yes to Johnny Morrissey
A big big no to Johnny Giles

 

[Jamo Martinez]

The game has moved from the Norman Hunter, Billy Bremner, Chopper Harris, Jim Holton days and
that's for the better. However, it has been taken to the other extreme by cheats like Salah & Mane
and that's exactly what they are: cheats. It's not 'simulation' (Jesus I hate that word!) it's 100% cheating.
There needs to be some middle ground. Without sounding like an old fart (which I do) even in the 70's
you had football artisits such as Rodney Marsh, George Best, Alan Hudson, Tony Currie and a very long list
of others so it wasn't all cloggers and hoofers. Today, football is a contact sport unless the attacker is in
the penalty box, then it is most definately a non-contact sport. That just seems weird somehow. It also
seems its just the PL where this is the case in England. In the lower divisions, from what I've seen lately it's
how it should be so it can happen.

You'd hate Spain. Even to this day, over here, the prem has a reputation for fair play (much less so than in years gone by) and refs who let the game flow. Here, the refs always want to be the protagonist

 

[tommytowne]

It is a contact sport so there is going to be contact so a bit of aggressive play is always OK in my books.

However, as mentioned in the OP, it can depend on who is giving it out, during the game. I have always said you cannot be a true fan of a football club without being hypocritical, it is part and parcel of the game. For example, Newcastle's treatment of James was not acceptable but in truth it was borderline whether they went into the territory of dirty or not.

It is a fine line but nobody here can say that they don't like a full blooded challenge, if they have control of themselves and are honestly going for the ball then it is 100% fine, now and again the opponent will get unlucky and have their leg in the wrong position but if the intent was to win the ball then no problems here.

That tackle Godfrey made on the Arsenal player was a masterpiece in the art of hard, clean tackle.
That same tackle made in front of the Spion Kop on an RS player would have resulted in a red for our lad, as the histrionics from their player would have made it impossible for the ref to ignore it.
Now that's the cheat.

 

[Cool_Blue]

Where are Unsy, PvdH and Reidy when you need them? We’ve got nobody to instill fear in the opposition the way these three did. They wouldn’t have finished many games like, not with VAR around.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Where are Unsy, PvdH and Reidy when you need them? We’ve got nobody to instill fear in the opposition the way these three did. They wouldn’t have finished many games like, not with VAR around.

True, but neither would the likes of Smith, Souness, Case, McMahon, Roy Kean, Paul Scholes, Patrick Viera,.....Oh wait, what am I thinking? these all played for Super League clubs, didn't they?

Seriously though, imagine VAR, correctly applied in the 60s. Revie's Leeds wouldn't have won anything.

 

[Loadsofchemistry]

Is it bad that my favourite bit of the spurs game wasnt any of our goals or carlo drinking coffee, but mina leaving one in on son?

 

[anton66]

The filthier the better.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Is it bad that my favourite bit of the spurs game wasnt any of our goals or carlo drinking coffee, but mina leaving one in on son?

The ability to match teams in the dark arts, if they want to play football oblige, if they want thespian football oblige, if Son wants physicality oblige!

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Where are Unsy, PvdH and Reidy when you need them? We’ve got nobody to instill fear in the opposition the way these three did. They wouldn’t have finished many games like, not with VAR around.

Recommend to anyone watch Howard's way, Pat and Peter explain very simply how you mix it with anyone if you want to win things. Different era but we need to match snide, out of the Mickey mouse cup not matching utds dark arts.

 

[davids]

At first glance I thought this thread was about a previously unreleased Leonard Cohen track.

 

[gonetomorrow]

An honest tackle, with players getting up, dusting themselves down and just getting on with the game, is something I'd like to see again. Nothing malicious, just a good hard tackle without the histrionics.

It used to be a man's game. Now it's men in tights.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

I hate cheating. I'd rather lose than cheat. But I love a clattering tackle, ONLY in retribution. Play fairly - if its to be a war let the opposition take the first shot, but you then take the rest. That's the way to look after one another yet still be able to play honestly.

Divers and playactors should be shot. They're an embarrassment to the game.

Refs should be capable of being fair whether or not someone is trying to cheat by 'getting in their ear' which i don't like to see - but I know most aren't.

Exactly. The cheating has become endemic, and the authorities actively encourage it by failing to stamp down on it.

I have heard stories it happens in youth football now. The game is rotten at the head.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Only on an everton forum could the most recently update threads be the 'Amanda Holden' and 'How dirty do you like it' threads. May I suggest a thread merge?

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Any time I think of Amanda Holden, this is all I see:

 

[chrismpw]

Exactly. The cheating has become endemic, and the authorities actively encourage it by failing to stamp down on it.

I have heard stories it happens in youth football now. The game is rotten at the head.

With the authorities failing to stamp it normalises cheating in the public psyche and clears a route to enable their scripting. Its absolutely ruining the sport.