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How does it feel????
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monty
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Brown was always intellectually well ahead of Blair. He is a great football supporter, helped to bail out Raith Rovers, his boyhood team. The one thing I liked about his Chancellorship was the fact he told the top Civil Servants where to go and in fact either sacked or replaced them. When leaving the Treasury today he was applaud by his staff who lined the way as he departed, never seen that before. If he can engendered that type of spirit in the country then we may possibly get somewhere. I expect him to back track of some of Blairs cock-ups, like Iraq, he won't be Bush's poodle.
That said I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Blair make headway in the Middle East in this special envoy role, he managed to do things in N Ireland that I thought impossible.
That said I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Blair make headway in the Middle East in this special envoy role, he managed to do things in N Ireland that I thought impossible.
SuitsBlue
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on the back of mo mowlam
blairs cock ups? he couldnt make a mess on his own, brown supported the invasion (for starters)
of course the individuals he hand selected (by not culling) were going to give him a send off, hes gone on to be PM, his powers havnt diminished.
recently brown used tax payers money to fight a legal battle to cover up HIS butchery of the pension schemes...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/15/nbrown15.xml
read it and weep.
in the words of 'the who' - "meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
blairs cock ups? he couldnt make a mess on his own, brown supported the invasion (for starters)
of course the individuals he hand selected (by not culling) were going to give him a send off, hes gone on to be PM, his powers havnt diminished.
recently brown used tax payers money to fight a legal battle to cover up HIS butchery of the pension schemes...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/15/nbrown15.xml
read it and weep.
in the words of 'the who' - "meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
monty
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Well, if that makes him guilty what crimes can messieurs Lawson, Howe and Major be found guilty of, you'd never get the Telegraph pushing that button would you, remeber black Monday. Considering that action was taken when he first came to power, he had tied his hands by sticking with the main Tory budget he had to get money from somewhere if he was to make a difference, he only fault imo was he over did it slightly. Kenneth Clarke said the other day that Brown's period at the Treasury had been revolutionary and brilliant in the main. Incidentally, most pension funds are now back in surplus. With some luck these investment funds who, get more tax breaks than they ever deserved, will get raided next, especially if the money is pumped into the NHS. A fund manager was on the box the other day and even he said the profits they made were exorbitant. I'm not saying that these funds should be controlled to a restrictive extent but when they pay tax at about a 10% rate then Brown could be equally sniped at for allowing this to go unchecked, Pete the Postie would love that to be his total rate of tax!
I wish Brown luck now that he is free from the manacles of Blair, only time will tell but at least I'm allowing him a clear field to start with.
Rob
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Don't forget suits, Pensions aren't a problem of now, 5 years ago or even 10 years ago, this is a problem that is 60 years old.
The one thing that blair and brown are guilty of that previous goverments aren't is that they tried to do something about it instead of just standing by and watching the ticking bomb count down.
So "maybe" he cut the wrong wire (so to speak) but at least they tried because the way I see it, it was going to blow up sooner or later.
The one thing that blair and brown are guilty of that previous goverments aren't is that they tried to do something about it instead of just standing by and watching the ticking bomb count down.
So "maybe" he cut the wrong wire (so to speak) but at least they tried because the way I see it, it was going to blow up sooner or later.
The legend Latch is on form today. Well in fella.
SuitsBlue
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competent surgeon, not someone prepared to hide behind a state funded legal challenge to a report on him that will let you know that he wasnt competent.
what about the minuscia, stealth taxes...
http://www.channel4.com/news/articl...olitics/factcheck+has+brown+put+tax+up/255988
If you include council tax rises, on the other hand, there was a net tax take. Council tax also hits poorer families more (with the exception of the poorest 20 per cent, who are partly insulated from council tax rises).
Isnt this labour government the same one that abolished student grants?
now more students than ever before leave higher education with a huge financial burden upon themselves.
what about the minuscia, stealth taxes...
http://www.channel4.com/news/articl...olitics/factcheck+has+brown+put+tax+up/255988
If you include council tax rises, on the other hand, there was a net tax take. Council tax also hits poorer families more (with the exception of the poorest 20 per cent, who are partly insulated from council tax rises).
Isnt this labour government the same one that abolished student grants?
now more students than ever before leave higher education with a huge financial burden upon themselves.
fair play, you've got your own political beliefs and agenda, but whingeing about taxes, and then the removal of Grants and the pensions fund raid? He needed to find ways to balance the books... the nation's economy has gone through the longest sustained, steady economic growth in living memory (and don't give me any crap about it being on the back of an India and China led Global boom, because we've consistently outperformed the rest of Europe for the best part of a decade).... oh, and I'd never rely on the Telegraph for in depth financial analysis, a one-eyed assessment at best.
As for the Student Loan System, it's the cheapest form of finance there is, personal finance experts are urging Students to take out large loans and run them for as long as possible, due to the way the repayments are structured.
Personally, I'll be pleased to see the back of Blair (as if that's not been said a million times on the Forum
) Brown is far more intellectually switched on, far less of an opportunist and most importantly appears to have real integrity, which you don't often see at the top of the political heap.
SuitsBlue
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Well, if some if not all of britains so called prosperity (how many below the poverty line?) then how much of that "structure" can be attributed to obsolete industry being killed off when the writing was on the wall in the 80s and therefore the benefits being heralded 10+ years later as the workforce that had been forced to change benefitted from the enforced change.
(no it wasnt easy, no it wasnt done very nicely, yes the council tax is the poll tax in under another name, would britain be the financial capital of the world without the terrorist attacks on the world trade centre?)
so many questions, so little responsibility.
cash for honours? didnt brown have a baby recently... MRM ??? sleaze from top to bottom, im not stupid enough to think one side wont lie while the other side will.
(no it wasnt easy, no it wasnt done very nicely, yes the council tax is the poll tax in under another name, would britain be the financial capital of the world without the terrorist attacks on the world trade centre?)
so many questions, so little responsibility.
cash for honours? didnt brown have a baby recently... MRM ??? sleaze from top to bottom, im not stupid enough to think one side wont lie while the other side will.
Hes one of them jocks.
Tight as hell and ginger.
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Tight as hell and ginger.
"Another sweeping statement brought to you by chicofacts"
monty
Sack Sky and donate to GOT...donations are needed
fair play, you've got your own political beliefs and agenda, but whingeing about taxes, and then the removal of Grants and the pensions fund raid? He needed to find ways to balance the books... the nation's economy has gone through the longest sustained, steady economic growth in living memory (and don't give me any crap about it being on the back of an India and China led Global boom, because we've consistently outperformed the rest of Europe for the best part of a decade).... oh, and I'd never rely on the Telegraph for in depth financial analysis, a one-eyed assessment at best.
As for the Student Loan System, it's the cheapest form of finance there is, personal finance experts are urging Students to take out large loans and run them for as long as possible, due to the way the repayments are structured.
Personally, I'll be pleased to see the back of Blair (as if that's not been said a million times on the Forum
Absolutely agreed Blair. Today has seen an example of Brown at work with this bomb incident in London who went before the cameras, the people who should be there unlike TB grabbing every photo oportunity going. I think and hope that Brown will have the job for some time thus ensuring no return to the boom and bust ecconomy of the 60's to 90's. It is also worth noting that the World Bank assessed our ecconomy as being amongst the best in the world over the last decade, that has to be to Browns credit.
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