Its so obvious

[Blue Wiz]

if you know your history. that was tied into the following

Leave the city of our birth or go back to the stadia of our birth.

everton are the original club of liverpool, not kirkby, not knowsley. we were born in liverpool, moving us to kirkby could be the final shot that sees our death.

I know we were the first club here, I know we started out there.. But why would we go back there when we need to go forward? yes, the facilities are somewhat better, but it's just a short fix that have a lot of cons and can have a lot of cons for the future as well... and I firmly believe it will cost more in the long run than a move to Kirkby.

 

[SuitsBlue]

they reckon goodison is valued at about £15 mill.

anfield cant be much more, and if we did move we'd still have the fee from goodison in our pocket.

see where im going with this? it is a potential short term fix, but people are saying that about kirkby. it certainly would not eat up the goodison fee + £35 mill of extra debt to go back to anfield.

bonus - we stay in the city. bonus - increased capacity. bonus - real corporate facilities. bonus - the usual matchday experience and 'footfall' isnt 'put out'.

 

[Gazdalf]

I thought this was a non starter as part of the regeneration plans for Anfield that the stadium relied on is that Anfield is being Grounded and there is redevelopment going on at the site. Would be a good idea but they cannot keep the stadium up after the new one is ready. Also some kind of health and safety issues as the ground is too close to the new one.

 

[Blue Wiz]

they reckon goodison is valued at about £15 mill.

anfield cant be much more, and if we did move we'd still have the fee from goodison in our pocket.

see where im going with this? it is a potential short term fix, but people are saying that about kirkby. it certainly would not eat up the goodison fee + £35 mill of extra debt to go back to anfield.

bonus - we stay in the city. bonus - increased capacity. bonus - real corporate facilities. bonus - the usual matchday experience and 'footfall' isnt 'put out'.

Cons- We show the world that we're not prepared to challenge the top teams since we state, like it or not, that what's not good enough for Liverpool is good enough for us.

Sure Anfield can be worth so much more, it have to be if it's soo much better than Goodison as you say it is.

Yes, we'll get the £15M when we sell Goodison... but loosing more cash for a short term fix? That's not good in my book.. and we still have to get a new stadium soon so the extra debt (that wouldn't be £35M if we move to Kirkby since we're selling the stadium name for about £20M) will eventually come anyway...

And can you seriously state that you think we, together with LCC, will find a good site inside the city and then find sponsors that would build a new stadium to us for a paltry £50M on our part? I can't see it happening in the forseable future... unfortunately I can't.

 

[micknick]

Ok my two penneth- Goodison is an ageing stadium- Analfield is an ageing stadium. Moving there would be a side step, not a step forward. I personally would hate to see my team play there- yes it was our 1st home but it has been there home ever since.

The more I think about the whole stadium issue the more it worries me- the best option would be for Liverpool Council to not prioritise with the [Poor language removed] but to look at both clibs on equal merit.

The only way I would ever want my team to play at Anfield would be if we were there for 1 season while goodison is redeveloped. Liverpool council could force that issue and make both parties agree to it. We get an ok temporary home and they get extra income from rent for a season. the redevelopment of Anfield is put back 1 year at the agreement of all parties involved. Done.

 

[Blue Wiz]

The more I think about the whole stadium issue the more it worries me- the best option would be for Liverpool Council to not prioritise with the [Poor language removed] but to look at both clibs on equal merit.

That would be grand.. but unfortunately that's not the case.

I'm was somewhat into the idea for a joint stadium.. like San Siro in Rome, but that's not going to happen.

 

[FCConnecticut]

If anything the LCC has done almost everything it can to undermine the effort. Most notably the recent 'loop' stuff to plant uncertainty in the voters minds.

 

[Rob]

That would be grand.. but unfortunately that's not the case.

I'm was somewhat into the idea for a joint stadium.. like San Siro in Rome, but that's not going to happen.

Quote [Poor language removed] chairman parry - "over my dead body"

 

[Blue Wiz]

Quote [Poor language removed] chairman parry - "over my dead body"

Oh. I agree it won't happen.. But it COULD have been a solution if LCC had gone in and help make it happen. But it will never happen.. even if LFC hadn't their new stadium in the horizon.

 

[Keith_Shabs12345]

What about the groundshare idea ?. Reversable seats, despite being verbally vetoed by Gilett recently.

 

[chicoazul]

Any argument about being out the city is void. And pisses me off.

Kirkby is in Liverpool, end of. It always has been until this come up and people with nothing better to do, the rent a mob, decided it wasnt.

On saying that I would rather the ground be kept around the Walton area as thats what Im used to and it would feel mad having it only a few minutes walk from our house. The club, as usual, are putting a spin on it and that pisses me off. But Kirkby does sound like a good opportunity to move into a modern ground at little cost, and lets face it we havent got money to burn.

Im happy to sit on the fence but if we cant compete in say ten years time as were stuck in an ageing stadium when the rest of the Prem are progressing then in retrospect a lot of fans causing all the [Poor language removed] now have [Poor language removed] it up for future generations of blues. I love to see another alternative, a ground close by but even if it came about we wouldnt have the money, it seems, to build a class stadium so were [Poor language removed].

And to top it all off, the shadow of the new Anfield will loom even closer in their their new soccerball arena. I dont want to be the poor relations of the city, were the [Poor language removed] scouse club but vent our anger at the city council who blatantly have bowed down to the [Poor language removed] and then tried to blag us that they want us to stay. They, more so than Kenwright and Wyness, are guilty of spin and bullshit.

 

[Croatian Toffee]

That would be grand.. but unfortunately that's not the case.

I'm was somewhat into the idea for a joint stadium.. like San Siro in Rome, but that's not going to happen.

San Siro in Milano
Olimpico in Rome

Don't know what to say. From right here it looks to me that city is seeing just one club in this story, redshite, and would do anything for their benefit...

 

[Blue Wiz]

San Siro in Milano
Olimpico in Rome

Ment Milano.. As I've said before.. my spelling sucks.

And you're right about the LCC, they do only see Liverpool and have so done for the last decade or so. Sad but true.

 

[neonleon]

Everyone is saying Baines is a local lad and its great to have him. But no. Guess what. He's not.

He's not a scouser. He's from all the way in Kirby. He may as well be a manc.

[Poor language removed]' mancs.

I think we should release him for not being Liverpool enough.

No seriously.

If I had a vote I'd probs vote for the move. To me it comes down to if you trust the Board and the Manager. They have both backed the move. Do we have any reason to doubt their good intentions? Do we think they are getting kickbacks - (tesco value points?)? Do we think they don't have the best intentions for the club?

Everyone can say we can redevelop Goodison or use the loop site (who wants a stadium in the middle of a roundabout?) but really, we could build a crystal tower rising from the city centre and have a huge 110k stadium made out of translucent blue glass. What can be done engineering wise isn't the issue. Its what can be done with the figures. Ostensibly we are skint. Only the board seem privy to the actual figures. Kirby is a go-er because it allows us to remain competitive financially.

Our heritage is not in question if we move four miles or so from City boundaries.

LFC is a spanish club owned by yanks for [Poor language removed] sake. They have two english players that ever play a game compared to our six or seven. Our move to Kirby is a move to a heartland of real scousers - somewhere the scandavian kopites will have never visited.

I'd always have mixed feelings but I think I'll feel worse if the move doesn't come off, than if it does (could signal the end of Moyes and even some players).

I'm sure most kopites want us to stay at goodison and as one told me once before - "just rot".

Don't let it happen. Lets get Moyes the foundation he needs to continue taking at least four points off the deluded arses every season.