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Jack Straw refuses to pardon Michael Shields

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prisons are full of people who say they are innocent, should we let them all out?

Top barristers have looked at this case and all the evidence not just his mum saying how nice he is.

i don't know if he is innocent or guilty but the defence evidence musn't be that good?
 
prisons are full of people who say they are innocent, should we let them all out?

Top barristers have looked at this case and all the evidence not just his mum saying how nice he is.

i don't know if he is innocent or guilty but the defence evidence musn't be that good?

That is THE only evidence that there is to support his case of not guilty.

My Mum would be doing the exact same thing if I was in this situation, guilty or not. Doesn't make me any less guiltier.
 
From a Liverpool supporter on RAWK - pretty much on the money, imo:

"I’m sorry but this was always going to happen because the whole defence was run on emotion, rather than on solid facts. The problem can be summarised like this:

The prosecution presented a case which said that upwards of 20 people, including some British, saw Michael do it.

The defence:
1. Did nothing to undermine the credibility of the eyewitness accounts (it was 5.00am, people had been drinking all night, there would have been many discrepancies in their accounts).
2. Chose as “facts” events which could easily be disproved. Some were embellished or white lies were added – and they got found out. These embellishments were unnecessary and weakened the case.
3. Lazy journalists, like Brian Reade, repeated these embellishments, put them in print and people have now come to treat them as gospel.
4. The key weapon for the defence was emotion – and almost every comment in this thread is laced with emotion. This post will generate negative emotion. Emotion works well on local politicians (it’s a vote winner) but falls flat when you get to the level of politicians who have to make policy or establish precedent.

Straw’s dilemma is this:
1. He has been presented with a dossier which would almost certainly have led to conviction in a British court (substantial eyewitness testimony).
2. If he gives a pardon based on his personal feelings then other countries will not send British people back to serve their term.
3. Similarly, anybody convicted abroad will beat a path to his door (and the door of every subsequent Home Secretary) looking for a pardon."

 

Are you sure you mean that? You see, I don't really give a monkey's who he supports (let's be honest, there are some things that football pales into insignificance besides), and have no preconceptions as to the lad's guilt or otherwise, but reading that article I can certainly see why he was found guilty, and I can clearly see why the appeals and request for a pardon have failed.

It is a good article, though.



Straw’s dilemma is this:
1. He has been presented with a dossier which would almost certainly have led to conviction in a British court (substantial eyewitness testimony).
2. If he gives a pardon based on his personal feelings then other countries will not send British people back to serve their term.
3. Similarly, anybody convicted abroad will beat a path to his door (and the door of every subsequent Home Secretary) looking for a pardon."

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Straw’s dilemma is this:
1. He has been presented with a dossier which would almost certainly have led to conviction in a British court (substantial eyewitness testimony).
2. If he gives a pardon based on his personal feelings then other countries will not send British people back to serve their term.
3. Similarly, anybody convicted abroad will beat a path to his door (and the door of every subsequent Home Secretary) looking for a pardon."

It's *this* too though:
4. The key weapon for the defence was emotion – and almost every comment in this thread is laced with emotion. This post will generate negative emotion. Emotion works well on local politicians (it’s a vote winner) but falls flat when you get to the level of politicians who have to make policy or establish precedent.


I think it's spot on. It's as if the view is that "if we get a snowball effect going with the pliable [in reality, [Poor language removed] scared of being out of step] local media, print the t-shirts, daub the banners, get the publicity starved local celebrities on board, then we can swing this one, la".

It's just a mob mentality.
 

he cant be released as far as i know because the british court didnt find him guilty/ sentence him, he has merely been allowed to complete his sentence here. as has been said, if he is released then countries will not be in too much of a hurry to let people return here to serve remainders of sentences, even if innocent he is still better off here than over there.
 
Didn't they give him a 15 year sentance? Hasn't that been reduced to 10 already? Does he have football hooliganism 'previous' on his record here prior to his Bulgarian jollies? Has anyone given a thought for the poor bugger smashed in the head who has to keep reliving his attempted murder with every appeal, poor article and media hoo-haa.
 
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