Carlo Ancelotti was the Chelsea manager, holding court in a favourite Italian restaurant, when he insisted he had seen a player he was sure would make it all the way from the youth ranks to the first team.
A hush descended and the table groaned as a dozen well-fed football reporters leaned forward, pencils poised. How you spelling that Carlo?
Ancelotti urged patience. Nathaniel Chalobah must have the time to develop, he pleaded, although his secret was out when he named the 15-year-old among the substitutes for a League Cup tie against Newcastle.
'He just took a liking to me,' said Chalobah, eight years on. 'He called me into the first team for training and gave me the opportunity to be around those players and to learn. I'm grateful to him."