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John Stones transfer saga

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JustOpp said:
I think we're both trying to reach the same place but through different means. In my eyes, Everton need to lead the charge not against player power, but in creating an environment and developing a relationship with their players that makes them not want to leave.

Recruiting players you already have is a big concept in American sports, and while I don't know to what extent it has carried over to English football, I think it's worth exploring further.
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And I think we do that well, or appear to. Deulofeu and Lukaku are prime examples of players who happily returned on a permanent basis. These two are amoung the group of young players we have who we genuinely believe will be become quality players. If they do then they will want to win trophies and play champs league football. It all comes down to how quickly we can achieve that goal. I cant imagine the foreign players reacting like Stones has should they submit a transfer request amid other club interest. And making players sit out their contracts to leave on a free when money has been invested in them, in Lukaku's case alot of money, would to me be the wrong way to go as much as I would like to see it from a personal satisfaction point of view.
 
JustOpp said:
I think we're both trying to reach the same place but through different means. In my eyes, Everton need to lead the charge not against player power, but in creating an environment and developing a relationship with their players that makes them not want to leave.

Recruiting players you already have is a big concept in American sports, and while I don't know to what extent it has carried over to English football, I think it's worth exploring further.
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There would have to be a whole load of changes prior to that happening one of which would be some sort of parity in wages from club to club and quite simply with football being global there are too many barriers
American sports is well, American.
 
It's funny to me that a situation like this where a player is asking his club to accept more money than he will be paid over the course of his contract in order to void that contract is somehow an example of player power. Athletes in the rest of the world haven't yet figured out what American athletes figured out decades ago: true player power comes when you allow your contract to expire instead of signing extensions that are only designed to drive up potential transfer fees. Players seem perfectly content right now for clubs to spend most of their budget giving money to other clubs instead of the players themselves. If they ever collectively figure out how to really use a free agent market, we're going to see a revolution in the sport that's going to make today's system of haves and have-nots look like a socialist paradise.

Can you imagine what sort of squads super-rich clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, and the Manchester clubs would put together if they didn't have to worry about transfer fees and had something like 20-25% of the professional player pool available every offseason on Bosmans?
 

Toffeelover said:
I think we will find that Mouricunto will be back in January.
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If he is still at the Bridge by then.....which I don't think is a foregone conclusion given the track record of both himself and his Russian organ grinder.

Even if he is, he will get the same answer.

Stones will be going nowhere before next summer, if at all.
 
RFUS said:
I think they'd have to actually offer £60m+ or something like that. An offer so good we genuinely couldn't refuse.

If we can refuse £35m, we can and will refuse £40m, £45m etc.
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Maybe mate, do you think they will come back in? If an offer of that amount came in there is no way we would be turning that down. Christ, that would have paid for that Kirkby breeze block stadium lol
 
maccavennie said:
Maybe mate, do you think they will come back in? If an offer of that amount came in there is no way we would be turning that down. Christ, that would have paid for that Kirkby breeze block stadium lol
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I wouldn't put it past them, in terms of bidding again. But if they went above £35 - 40m I'd be very surprised.
 

RFUS said:
I wouldn't put it past them, in terms of bidding again. But if they went above £35 - 40m I'd be very surprised.
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I can only think of City and PSG who would be mad enough to pay 40+ million for a defender. Maybe Man U the more desperate they get.
 
RFUS said:
I wouldn't put it past them, in terms of bidding again. But if they went above £35 - 40m I'd be very surprised.
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Yeah, it is the sort of thing that City/Utd wouldn't bat an eye at but Chelsea don't work quite that way, he'd be their highest transfer since Torres - more than the 32m Costa and Hazard cost them.

Listened to a BBC podcast a couple of weeks ago that had a journo whomis usually sourced but can't remember exactly who (Northcroft, Winter - not one of the rags anyhow) and he was saying that 30m was the highest they were prepared to go up to which seems to have been the case. Their performances to date might have changef that slightly but not 40m+ levels.
 
Jimmy1 said:
I can only think of City and PSG who would be mad enough to pay 40+ million for a defender. Maybe Man U the more desperate they get.
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Man U paid was it £30m for a left back? And well, they paid £30m for a CB over a decade ago.

So I think they'd happily pay £40m+ for John Stones.
 

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