Duncan Disordely
Player Valuation: £35m
Or he's gonna play 90 minutes tomorrow as one of our first XI, and one out of only 2 first choice CB?
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Or he's gonna play 90 minutes tomorrow as one of our first XI, and one out of only 2 first choice CB?
dandydan
Player Valuation: £40m
Would 2 be better?
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Hardly any of the first team started today. I'd expect Stones and Jags to play tomorrow. Don't know why considering the first team could have had an extra days rest #Martinezlogic
The Equaliser
Player Valuation: £50m
No. An estimate as to what the club's valuation might be.
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Hahhahahahaha people saying he's off as he wasn't in the squad.
None of Jagielka, Coleman, Baines, Del, Barry or Howard were in the squad either. Doesn't mean they're off.
He wasn't in the squad because RM will play his 'first team' defence tomorrow. Stop being meffs.
None of Jagielka, Coleman, Baines, Del, Barry or Howard were in the squad either. Doesn't mean they're off.
He wasn't in the squad because RM will play his 'first team' defence tomorrow. Stop being meffs.
ijjysmith
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People joking though yeah? Please say yeah.
I hope so! Was @Connor joking? I went to the game and been on the lash since 12. We were crap, like. But Stones not playing means nothing.
ijjysmith
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Conor likes a joke so imagine wasn't serious mate.
That's alright then haha! Just saw that and automatically fumed! My bad.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/aug/01/john-stones-everton-chelsea-right-price
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However, it isn’t difficult to understand why José Mourinho wants to make him his next acquisition and, if anything, it is just surprising Chelsea have not gone higher with their opening attempts to break Everton’s resolve. The first bid of £20m was little more than a tease. The second one, £26m, was comparatively high but in today’s market another piece of positioning.
Neither bid was ever going to be accepted and, though it isn’t always easy working out how clubs value players these days, let’s think back to the conversation Moyes had with Wayne Rooney when he started as manager at Manchester United a couple of years ago and Chelsea were trying to sign the striker. Moyes felt Rooney had slipped into the comfort zone and asked him whether he thought he was still a top player. Rooney replied that he did. Then Moyes came back with the killer line: “Then why have Chelsea offered only £25m for you?”
Stones is undoubtedly a grade-A player in the making, a potential England international for the next 10 years, and if Luke Shaw was worth £30m a year ago and Raheem Sterling is now valued at £49m, Everton are fully entitled to think Chelsea have come in pretty low. Chelsea sold David Luiz for £50m last summerand, whatever that says about Paris Saint-Germain, it still influences the market. If Mourinho believes Stones is qualified to graduate as John Terry’s successor, he cannot possibly think Everton are going to accept less than they banked for Marouane Fellaini two years ago.
What we have now is a staring contest between the two clubs. The assumption is that Everton will blink once Chelsea – and so far it has all been a strategy on the part of the London club – get to a more realistic figure of £35m and it is a surprise, perhaps, that the two Manchester clubs have not tried to intervene given what they could gain and, just as importantly, what they stand to lose.
United, in particular, have been looking for a centre-half for longer than they would probably care to remember. Ideally, that would be a more experienced player who could immediately slot in as the lynchpin of their defence, but they were led down Sergio Ramos’s garden path earlier in the summer. The gate was slammed shut and Ramos, with utter predictability, now has a new contract from Real Madrid. As for City, they appear to be pinning their hopes on Eliaquim Mangala having a far more productive second season in English football and Vincent Kompany no longer being troubled by the recurring injury issues that have undermined his performances and damaged his status as one of the league’s more authoritative players. Neither, however, can be guaranteed. Kompany turns 30 this season and Martín Demichelis will be 35 in December. There has been a dearth of outstanding centre-backs on the market for the past few years and Stones – young, English, exceptionally talented – would be a formidable opponent. Mourinho has an appreciation of defence that Martínez does not possess and the improvement in Stones could be considerable.
All of that is assuming Stones’s current employer will eventually agree to sell him. Everton are a proud club and will not want to bend for anybody if it makes them look weak. They did, lest it be forgotten, repel United’s advances for Leighton Baines two summers ago and, in one sense, it would be nice to think that when a club say their player is not for sale at any price – as, say, Liverpool did for Sterling – they mean it, rather than it simply being part of the bargaining process. Martínez’s whole ethos has been to build a team around his best young players. They could make a fortune selling Stones but, in another sense, they would be poorer for it.
Unfortunately for them, the clubs at the top always come knocking when there is someone worthy of their attention and it isn’t always easy turning them away at the door. That is just the football business, just like it was for Barnsley lower down the food chain, and that presumably is why Chelsea seem sure they will get their man. There are not many occasions in the modern era when the super-rich don’t get their own way.
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However, it isn’t difficult to understand why José Mourinho wants to make him his next acquisition and, if anything, it is just surprising Chelsea have not gone higher with their opening attempts to break Everton’s resolve. The first bid of £20m was little more than a tease. The second one, £26m, was comparatively high but in today’s market another piece of positioning.
Neither bid was ever going to be accepted and, though it isn’t always easy working out how clubs value players these days, let’s think back to the conversation Moyes had with Wayne Rooney when he started as manager at Manchester United a couple of years ago and Chelsea were trying to sign the striker. Moyes felt Rooney had slipped into the comfort zone and asked him whether he thought he was still a top player. Rooney replied that he did. Then Moyes came back with the killer line: “Then why have Chelsea offered only £25m for you?”
Stones is undoubtedly a grade-A player in the making, a potential England international for the next 10 years, and if Luke Shaw was worth £30m a year ago and Raheem Sterling is now valued at £49m, Everton are fully entitled to think Chelsea have come in pretty low. Chelsea sold David Luiz for £50m last summerand, whatever that says about Paris Saint-Germain, it still influences the market. If Mourinho believes Stones is qualified to graduate as John Terry’s successor, he cannot possibly think Everton are going to accept less than they banked for Marouane Fellaini two years ago.
What we have now is a staring contest between the two clubs. The assumption is that Everton will blink once Chelsea – and so far it has all been a strategy on the part of the London club – get to a more realistic figure of £35m and it is a surprise, perhaps, that the two Manchester clubs have not tried to intervene given what they could gain and, just as importantly, what they stand to lose.
United, in particular, have been looking for a centre-half for longer than they would probably care to remember. Ideally, that would be a more experienced player who could immediately slot in as the lynchpin of their defence, but they were led down Sergio Ramos’s garden path earlier in the summer. The gate was slammed shut and Ramos, with utter predictability, now has a new contract from Real Madrid. As for City, they appear to be pinning their hopes on Eliaquim Mangala having a far more productive second season in English football and Vincent Kompany no longer being troubled by the recurring injury issues that have undermined his performances and damaged his status as one of the league’s more authoritative players. Neither, however, can be guaranteed. Kompany turns 30 this season and Martín Demichelis will be 35 in December. There has been a dearth of outstanding centre-backs on the market for the past few years and Stones – young, English, exceptionally talented – would be a formidable opponent. Mourinho has an appreciation of defence that Martínez does not possess and the improvement in Stones could be considerable.
All of that is assuming Stones’s current employer will eventually agree to sell him. Everton are a proud club and will not want to bend for anybody if it makes them look weak. They did, lest it be forgotten, repel United’s advances for Leighton Baines two summers ago and, in one sense, it would be nice to think that when a club say their player is not for sale at any price – as, say, Liverpool did for Sterling – they mean it, rather than it simply being part of the bargaining process. Martínez’s whole ethos has been to build a team around his best young players. They could make a fortune selling Stones but, in another sense, they would be poorer for it.
Unfortunately for them, the clubs at the top always come knocking when there is someone worthy of their attention and it isn’t always easy turning them away at the door. That is just the football business, just like it was for Barnsley lower down the food chain, and that presumably is why Chelsea seem sure they will get their man. There are not many occasions in the modern era when the super-rich don’t get their own way.
FTY
Player Valuation: £80m
Captain, injured x2, old x2.
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