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Judge suffers from foot in mouth.

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Whitebootman

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Just read this.


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article6739469.ece

A senior judge who described Britain’s immigration system as “completely lax” is to face an investigation. Judge Ian Trigger said last week that “hundreds and hundreds of thousands” of illegal immigrants were abusing the benefits system.

Judge Trigger made his comments at Liverpool Crown Court as he sentenced a Jamaican man for two years in prison for drugs offences.

Probably not the best thing to say in his position. Will the judge get away with it?
 
Judge Trigger said: “Your case illustrates all too clearly the completely lax immigration policy that exists . . . in this country. People like you, and there are literally hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people like you, come to these shores from foreign countries to avail themselves of the generous welfare benefits that exist here.

“In the past 10 years the national debt of this country has risen to extraordinary heights, largely because central government has wasted billions and billions of pounds. Much of that has been wasted on welfare payments.”
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Thats his opinion, fair enough.

Don't think there is anything for him to "get away with"?
 
I thought that this sounded more like a political statement than a 'summing up'. I don't think the judge is in the wrong, but I also don't think that politicians will take kindly to the chap speaking out like this.
 
I agree that that's his opinion to which he is entitled.

But

He appeared to be using his position as an impartial judicial officer to spout off about stuff that had nothing directly to do with the case in front of him.

Whether the accused is guilty or innocent, the stuff Trigger (appropriate name - I wonder if he's happy. In which case we could call him Tr...Coat!!) was saying should have no bearing on his judgement of the accused. Looked to me as if his Jamaican origins had a direct impact on the judges remarks - as opposed to the facts of the case.

Hence the kerfuffle - everybody has a right to a fair hearing - regardless of their ethnicity. It appears that this guy may not have got that fair crack of the whip.

So Trigger should be sacked (but who will carry Roy Rodgers then??) not for holding these views but for choosing this platform to state them.
 
trebilcock66 said:
I agree that that's his opinion to which he is entitled.

But

He appeared to be using his position as an impartial judicial officer to spout off about stuff that had nothing directly to do with the case in front of him.

Whether the accused is guilty or innocent, the stuff Trigger (appropriate name - I wonder if he's happy. In which case we could call him Tr...Coat!!) was saying should have no bearing on his judgement of the accused. Looked to me as if his Jamaican origins had a direct impact on the judges remarks - as opposed to the facts of the case.

Hence the kerfuffle - everybody has a right to a fair hearing - regardless of their ethnicity. It appears that this guy may not have got that fair crack of the whip.

So Trigger should be sacked (but who will carry Roy Rodgers then??) not for holding these views but for choosing this platform to state them.
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Ermmm maybe Rodney , no I meant Dave:dodgy:
 

wasn't the guy in posession of a ruck of weed, some coke and a false passport ?

i've been an immigrant in faraway lands and basically if i had misbehaved then my visa was cancelled, and when in oz a mate overstayed his visa and was locked up in villawood detention centre and stuck onto a plane back to the u.k.

trouble is whenever immigration is mentioned then someone pipes up with the "R" card, europe ignores the illegals as they know they are passing through to the u.k. the french ignore the illegals hanging around their ports trying to get to the u.k. when they should in fact be arresting them and deporting them back to wherever.

what the people who jump to their defence should bear in mind is the rules that they would have to live by if they themselves were to migrate to somewhere, or risk being sent back.
 
Whitebootman said:
Just read this.


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article6739469.ece

A senior judge who described Britain’s immigration system as “completely lax” is to face an investigation. Judge Ian Trigger said last week that “hundreds and hundreds of thousands” of illegal immigrants were abusing the benefits system.

Judge Trigger made his comments at Liverpool Crown Court as he sentenced a Jamaican man for two years in prison for drugs offences.

Probably not the best thing to say in his position. Will the judge get away with it?
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good job this didn't happen in germany....



...or the judge would've been Herr Trigger


*gets coat and dashes out*
 
The politicians always tell us that the justice system works. So how will they react when the Justice system is telling them it is not working when used in conjunction with the pathetic immigration laws.

Fair play to the judge in my opinion. I respect someone that has the balls to stand up and speak his mind, especially when they know their onions, like this fella does.
 

GrandOldTeam said:
Thats his opinion, fair enough.

Don't think there is anything for him to "get away with"?
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Surely you can see why a judge should not be making political comments such as this during an individual case?

Seems like he used this case (which may or may not have anything to do with the immigration/welfare abuse issue, i dont know, didnt see enough details in the report) to put over his own political views.

Judges should not do that. Its not so much what he said as aopposed to where and when he said it which is the problem.
 
is the judge lying? can he prove these statments?or is he just a over zealous wanna be politian the court room is not the place to air personnel points of view
 
regardless of what opinion he's expressing, it's a misuse of his position to make political statements in court & could potentially lead to an appeal if it can be shown that the judges views indicate a bias against the defendant - i'd have to describe it as a serious lapse of, er, judgement (n)
 

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