royalblue66
Player Valuation: £70m
Oh dear. Haha
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Bluerover
Player Valuation: £50m
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Groucho, Methodism is a Protestant theology that sprang as a branch of the Church of England as the Wesleys and their supporters felt that the CofE was out of touch with working classes and therefore aimed to bring their preaching down to street level and in simple chapels rather than the hierarchical CofE. There was no actual split until after the death of the Wesleys.
St Domingo's was indeed a Methodist church community which had a cricket team to keep its youngsters away from temptation of the demon drink etc. They decided to embrace football for the winter months.
The name change came when lads from various other churches wanted to join, and so they adopted the local area name of Everton.
When Houlding got involved he brought conservative, CofE, brewing, hotelier, orange and masonic bias with him, and this made the liberal, non-Conformist, pro-temperance, pro-Home Rule members of the Board uncomfortable.
The break is often put down to an increase in rent for Anfield after we won the league in 1891-92, but there was a lot of other unease bubbling under the surface. Much of it was down to Houlding's capitalist greed to maximise his brewing and hotelier profits, as well as his Tory political ambition.
When George Mahon (Methodist member of St Domingo's Congregation) and the majority moved to Goodison, the Everton Board constituted a broad range of interests and beliefs, but generally maintained the liberal ethos.
Houlding tried to keep the name Everton but was refused permission by the Football League. When he established LFC, his first manager was an Ulster (Co. Monaghan) orangeman and freemason - John McKenna. The early boards of LFC reflected this Tory, anti-Home Rule, Orange bias.
I don't believe there was a prolonged sectarian bias in terms of refusing to sign RCs at LFC, but RCs would have felt more at home at Goodison with its mixed Board than at Anfield. I agree that EFC certainly never aligned itself with any particular church once we became EFC.
The large volume of immigration in the 40s and 50s saw Irish RCs settling with earlier immigrants around Scotland Road, while the Northern Irish non-RCs settled around Netherfield Road area. This coincided with EFC having a good number of southern Irish players, and therefore the newly arrived immigrants naturally were attracted to supporting the Blues.
There are some good scholarly articles available on the history of the split - I have one in hard copy from a guy in Leeds University but I don't think it is available online.
EDIT - I found this - loads of reading in it. http://www.evertoncollection.org.uk/download?id=74551
Also, "Thank God for Football" by Peter Lupson is an excellent read that recounts the early church-based histories of many famous English clubs including Villa, Barnsley, City, QPR and an interesting chapter titled "Everton ......and its offspring Liverpool"
Groucho, Methodism is a Protestant theology that sprang as a branch of the Church of England as the Wesleys and their supporters felt that the CofE was out of touch with working classes and therefore aimed to bring their preaching down to street level and in simple chapels rather than the hierarchical CofE. There was no actual split until after the death of the Wesleys.
St Domingo's was indeed a Methodist church community which had a cricket team to keep its youngsters away from temptation of the demon drink etc. They decided to embrace football for the winter months.
The name change came when lads from various other churches wanted to join, and so they adopted the local area name of Everton.
When Houlding got involved he brought conservative, CofE, brewing, hotelier, orange and masonic bias with him, and this made the liberal, non-Conformist, pro-temperance, pro-Home Rule members of the Board uncomfortable.
The break is often put down to an increase in rent for Anfield after we won the league in 1891-92, but there was a lot of other unease bubbling under the surface. Much of it was down to Houlding's capitalist greed to maximise his brewing and hotelier profits, as well as his Tory political ambition.
When George Mahon (Methodist member of St Domingo's Congregation) and the majority moved to Goodison, the Everton Board constituted a broad range of interests and beliefs, but generally maintained the liberal ethos.
Houlding tried to keep the name Everton but was refused permission by the Football League. When he established LFC, his first manager was an Ulster (Co. Monaghan) orangeman and freemason - John McKenna. The early boards of LFC reflected this Tory, anti-Home Rule, Orange bias.
I don't believe there was a prolonged sectarian bias in terms of refusing to sign RCs at LFC, but RCs would have felt more at home at Goodison with its mixed Board than at Anfield. I agree that EFC certainly never aligned itself with any particular church once we became EFC.
The large volume of immigration in the 40s and 50s saw Irish RCs settling with earlier immigrants around Scotland Road, while the Northern Irish non-RCs settled around Netherfield Road area. This coincided with EFC having a good number of southern Irish players, and therefore the newly arrived immigrants naturally were attracted to supporting the Blues.
There are some good scholarly articles available on the history of the split - I have one in hard copy from a guy in Leeds University but I don't think it is available online.
EDIT - I found this - loads of reading in it. http://www.evertoncollection.org.uk/download?id=74551
Also, "Thank God for Football" by Peter Lupson is an excellent read that recounts the early church-based histories of many famous English clubs including Villa, Barnsley, City, QPR and an interesting chapter titled "Everton ......and its offspring Liverpool"
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pbeyer
Player Valuation: £6m
Erm..... Methodism is a denomination of Protestantism.
Edit: just seen this has already been addressed.
JAYTALITY
Player Valuation: £30m
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youngblue66
Player Valuation: £750k
Very interesting. I knew some of this but not to that depth. Cheers.
Yes lads, I know all that.
Just wanted to avoid an "Everton are a Catholic club/Everton are a Protestant club" argument, that never end well. I'd removed posts alluding to this earlier in the thread and it gets ugly, hence my "general warning-ish" post.
pbeyer
Player Valuation: £6m
Think most of us will agree with your sentiment of sectarians can sod right off.
Don't need that associated with Ebepton FC.
youngblue66
Player Valuation: £750k
Everton F.C. are a religion in their own right!
sexualchocolate
Player Valuation: £5m
There's more to oireland than 'dis......
Jacko93
Player Valuation: £35m
This is basically proof that LFC are Tories, and everybody who supports them is a Tory.
Esther McVey is deffo a RS.
Chimpy Glassman
Player Valuation: £30m
youngblue66
Player Valuation: £750k
Sky Sports have picked this up as well.
Shelbourne have confirmed that they are in talks with Everton over a deal for their defensive prospect Ryan Robinson.
Robinson, 18, has already spent time on trial at Finch Farm and now Everton are keen to tie up a deal for the youngster who is already been labelled the 'new Seamus Coleman'.
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