Seathestars
Player Valuation: £60m
? Read my posts again mate.
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Yep.
Countless examples of players who have been sent to the league below to get regular, competitive game time. If a player can't hack that experience and take it as an opportunity to grow then their suitability for the demands of the Premier League is questionable. Winners can put up with that kind of challenge.
Sounds to me like you've never actually watched the lad play. Just want to use this as another stick to beat the club with.
Stats for the first team are limited he only made two pl appearances one a sub. played a total of 72 minutes and managed 15 passes a game in that time. Had a 90% pass rate, thats his most intresting stat. Put it this way niasse has better stats then him.
A loan in the championship will help the lad. Why don't you explain to me why you don't think it will. At the minute your not really saying anything other then "it's a disgrace" over and over again.
Tbf SAF man management wasn't really that good was it? It was mainly step out of line and I'll bin you off. Not saying he wasn't successful and it didn't work for him.
Sounds similar to Koeman tbh...
johnnydawg68
Chairperson, People's Front of Saint Domingo
Yeah. The Championship is tosh. Terrible place to learn your trade. Never mind League one..
Mola wasn't on loan though was he mate? He was a full time member of the team. It's different. Again, I hope this works out. If I had to bet I'd say he'll do very well, but again that doesn't help us this season does it? If we all just disagree about whether he's ready or not, fair enough. But if he is ready to contribute my stance is he should be here, training with our first team players every day and being given an opportunity to at least prove he can't play at this level. Training is training. Players need to show what they can do in games. See Tom Davies. I guarantee 99% of the people on here were not saying Tom Davies would be such an integral part of the squad last year and this season and would have said a year in the Championship would do him a world of good because at 18 he couldn't be expected to compete with "men". Well that would have been wrong.
johnnydawg68
Chairperson, People's Front of Saint Domingo
We don't support Forest for one thing. We support Everton and we think he should be helping us win games this year.
One good cameo, one meh cameo. As expected from a kid learning his trade.
Certain posters in this thread were implying that the Championship is not of a high enough standard for a player to grow. Point is that Lookman disproves that. Unsworth has said that Dowell needs to be playing regularly at that level, just as Lookman did.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Sorry mate, I think you misread my request. I'll repeat it: can you give me a COMPARISON WITH THE STATS OF HIS TEAM MATES?
It's all a little bit academic this argument because he's on loan whether we like it or not! Just a couple of observations. Dowell is a no 10, if he's inconsistent it's because he often plays out on the right. When he's more central he's more involved, out on the right he can be isolated as can any wide player. But if we can't play a young player because their inconsistent then what have we been doing playing DCL or Lookman? DCL has hardly been the model of consistency in his performances. Some of that has to be down to the fact that he's not really being played in his best position. It's the same with Dowell. So for me this inconsistency argument is overstated particularly when Koeman splashed out £28 million on Bolassie who is the definition of inconsistent!
Koeman's handling of Dowell has been poor in my opinion. The lad played against Norwich, did well, Unsworth thought he was ready. What happened then - absolutely nothing. He was given no time off the bench for the first team, no involvement in the league cup. He wasn't sent on loan, he got disillusioned with Koeman. He spent some of last season working with Unsworth on closing down, working harder off the ball trying to improve on those things. He played in the U20 World Cup and won it with England. Had a great impact in pre-season, then binned off again by Koeman. He's the most talented youngster that we have and he hasn't had a SINGLE MINUTE of first team football from Koeman. I'd have a lot more faith that Koeman was serious about developing the lad if he'd have sent him on loan last season, given him some encouragement that if he did well he'd be involved in the first team squad this season. However that's not happened and Koeman's signed a washed up 31 year old and is about to splash 50 million on a set piece specialist to go along with a squad full of midfield dullards.
If Koeman had been willing to give him some game time then he would undoubtedly be better off staying at Everton. As it is there was no chance of that so I think the lad, who was desperate to go on loan, is better off at Forest but frankly I doubt that Koeman is doing it to develop him to play for Everton.
Koeman's handling of Dowell has been poor in my opinion. The lad played against Norwich, did well, Unsworth thought he was ready. What happened then - absolutely nothing. He was given no time off the bench for the first team, no involvement in the league cup. He wasn't sent on loan, he got disillusioned with Koeman. He spent some of last season working with Unsworth on closing down, working harder off the ball trying to improve on those things. He played in the U20 World Cup and won it with England. Had a great impact in pre-season, then binned off again by Koeman. He's the most talented youngster that we have and he hasn't had a SINGLE MINUTE of first team football from Koeman. I'd have a lot more faith that Koeman was serious about developing the lad if he'd have sent him on loan last season, given him some encouragement that if he did well he'd be involved in the first team squad this season. However that's not happened and Koeman's signed a washed up 31 year old and is about to splash 50 million on a set piece specialist to go along with a squad full of midfield dullards.
If Koeman had been willing to give him some game time then he would undoubtedly be better off staying at Everton. As it is there was no chance of that so I think the lad, who was desperate to go on loan, is better off at Forest but frankly I doubt that Koeman is doing it to develop him to play for Everton.
Just going to add this comment from Coleman on Paul Cook, his manager at Sligo, as I think they are appropriate: "He made me feel like I was the best player in the League. It just makes such a difference when you have a manager who believes in you." This after his previous Sligo manager told him he didn't rate him.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Spot on mate.
He's bloody minded and wont shift from a poor decision like this. Dowell wont play for Everton again imo if Koeman remains manager.
Yeah i think you're right. Best group of young players to come up through the ranks in last quarter of a century and Koeman isn't going to develop them for the long term good of the club. Sick of seeing average managers at Everton, can't we get an inspirational, progressive manager who can develop young players and get us playing attacking winning football?
Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
I'm made up Dowell's gone out on loan. Far better to play regularly in a decent footballing team in the Championship than, at best, to sit on the bench at Goodison.
He's a real takent, but he's too good for the U23's but not quite ready for the first team. From the posts made by some you'd think loaning out fringe young players to teams at a level just below us was a new idea dreamed up by Rhino and Koeman purely to hold Dowell's development back, whereas, in reality, it's an approach favoured by pretty much all the top teams.
He's a real takent, but he's too good for the U23's but not quite ready for the first team. From the posts made by some you'd think loaning out fringe young players to teams at a level just below us was a new idea dreamed up by Rhino and Koeman purely to hold Dowell's development back, whereas, in reality, it's an approach favoured by pretty much all the top teams.
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