Labour-Not the Party of Protest

[The binman chronicles]

Whether you agree or don't agree with the ceasefire the first rule about politics is you try not to go around peeing off large sections of potential voters. A middle line is the right tact where you offer up sympathy and support for the Israelis due to the attack that started it all, but at the same time push for calm and a pause for humanitarian reasons to get the Palestinian civilians out of harms way and apply pressure for talks to begin. Sure you don't win hearts and minds of ethier camp but if you can keep them from actively hating you for supporting the other is the tightrope to walk.

Let's face it it's not like Labour throwing their weight behind one thing or another is going to suddenly change Israel's view of the war. So all this is just self harm.

The Labour MP's and supporters also need to bear this in mind and not try to create such divisions in the party to the point it could sleepwalk into giving the Tories a way back in the upcoming election. As long as Labour is mostly united and scandal free, they win. If they too are viewed as a basket case then who knows, the focus just needs to be on what the Tories are doing wrong and your own policies and positions should be kept as quiet as possible.

That may sound unprincipled but I don't want to see 5 more years of Tory rule and when you're less than a year out from an election the bigger picture has to be thought of. Win the election and then you are in a position to apply actual meaningful leverage...

 

[RAFUH]

Whether you agree or don't agree with the ceasefire the first rule about politics is you try not to go around peeing off large sections of potential voters. A middle line is the right tact where you offer up sympathy and support for the Israelis due to the attack that started it all, but at the same time push for calm and a pause for humanitarian reasons to get the Palestinian civilians out of harms way and apply pressure for talks to begin. Sure you don't win hearts and minds of ethier camp but if you can keep them from actively hating you for supporting the other is the tightrope to walk.

Let's face it it's not like Labour throwing their weight behind one thing or another is going to suddenly change Israel's view of the war. So all this is just self harm.

The Labour MP's and supporters also need to bear this in mind and not try to create such divisions in the party to the point it could sleepwalk into giving the Tories a way back in the upcoming election. As long as Labour is mostly united and scandal free, they win. If they too are viewed as a basket case then who knows, the focus just needs to be on what the Tories are doing wrong and your own policies and positions should be kept as quiet as possible.

That may sound unprincipled but I don't want to see 5 more years of Tory rule and when you're less than a year out from an election the bigger picture has to be thought of. Win the election and then you are in a position to apply actual meaningful leverage...

Ffs

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Mi6 stooges these days, or so I have read.



*taps nose*

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Anyone interested in my new doors?

 

[Bohemian Toffee]

Anyone interested in my new doors?

Only if it's a euphemism

 

[Rob17896]

Whether you agree or don't agree with the ceasefire the first rule about politics is you try not to go around peeing off large sections of potential voters. A middle line is the right tact where you offer up sympathy and support for the Israelis due to the attack that started it all, but at the same time push for calm and a pause for humanitarian reasons to get the Palestinian civilians out of harms way and apply pressure for talks to begin. Sure you don't win hearts and minds of ethier camp but if you can keep them from actively hating you for supporting the other is the tightrope to walk.

Let's face it it's not like Labour throwing their weight behind one thing or another is going to suddenly change Israel's view of the war. So all this is just self harm.

The Labour MP's and supporters also need to bear this in mind and not try to create such divisions in the party to the point it could sleepwalk into giving the Tories a way back in the upcoming election. As long as Labour is mostly united and scandal free, they win. If they too are viewed as a basket case then who knows, the focus just needs to be on what the Tories are doing wrong and your own policies and positions should be kept as quiet as possible.

That may sound unprincipled but I don't want to see 5 more years of Tory rule and when you're less than a year out from an election the bigger picture has to be thought of. Win the election and then you are in a position to apply actual meaningful leverage...

I perfectly see what you mean and it is right in a sense. My concern is that without some really dynamic action we will carry on with the erosion of living standards because the economic structure has that built in at the moment.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Only if it's a euphemism

Sadly not.

One can get banned for that sort of thing.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I perfectly see what you mean and it is right in a sense. My concern is that without some really dynamic action we will carry on with the erosion of living standards because the economic structure has that built in at the moment.

What kind of fridge have you got mate?

 

[Nymzee]

How can you start this thread and think “yeh it’s probably one for the Ale House”. Get out of here you politics scruff.

 

[tommye]

@tommye not doing you a solid is disgraceful.

Man knows I don't do gas.

Swerve anything that can kill someone. I know how 'kin stupid I am...

 

[tommye]

Hes a wise man, he dont mess with gas or leccy, wont get me messing with them 2 monsters either.

See. Man knows

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Absolute pig isn’t he. Bet he gets his missus to give him a head massage with it.

I could be mistaken but it very much looks like he’s had his face right in there. Incredible thing to see. I like hummus as much as the next man but would normally have with a cracker or something.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

@chicoazul you’ve got about half an hour I reckon.

 

[chicoazul]

This is a beautiful moment where I am not gagged over politics.

Let me say that any Evertonian that votes right wing is a massive hypocrites, someone that brings misery to the city and people of the socialist team they pretend to support.

Thank you.