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2019/20 Leighton Baines.

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Tin-Tin said:
Probably one of the fittest players at the club and looks after himself so no problem at all with another 1 year deal.

Milner is 1 year younger and has playing since he was 16 yet his extension is celebrated.
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Milner still plays about 40 games a season, it isn’t the same.
 
davek said:
We cant be planning a squad with an eye on FFP. We need a DoF who can buy cost effective players and flog players we have for a decent fee and a CEO who can seal top commercial deals. That's the source of solving any FFP problems we have.

Retaining Baines would be false economy AND high risk. He woudn't be able to be counted on for a season's worth of first team football, which he may have to do under certain circumstances. We already have Delph here (who'll be surplus to requirement in CM next season) who can step in if Digne is injured.

We are in a perfect psotion to pay a small amount out, for example, to Hearts for their young LB and he'd be on less wages than Baines.
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I think ideally you would want to develop a squad without FFP but it’s an unfortunate reality that can’t be ignored, you understand the ceilings as well as me. We may decide to bring in a young left back in the summer, but we both know it’s coming from a limited fund and eating into a loss ceiling. In dealing with the reality of that players like Baines, Davies, Kenny and Coleman are invaluable as they are cost/loss neutral apart from wages, they maximise budgets and minimise loss ceilings.

Ideally you are right, hoping selling Bolaise and Sandro may raise funds for the kid at hearts, but you wouldn’t put money on it happening. I don’t have any sympathy with our ability to sell players, it’s been terrible. Based on that it actually makes better sense to keep the cost neutral option, if you think he can still contribute which the club seems to as it maximises the available budget as it’s unlikely to come from selling deadwood.

I would have been a big critic of our squad management with the centre half situation at the start of the season after the last transfer window, was I right? On reflection maybe not, if we’d signed Zouma would we have developed Holgate.....none of us had faith he would develop like he did, so credit there. It might be thar Baines is more up to it then we all think and or expect like Holgate.

Its about maximisimg windows and budgets and Baines helps enable that over another year. If we can sign a right sided, central mildfilders and a centre half this window with our hole budget and both full back positions in 20/21 instead of now, we likely have the pick of better quality both this summer and next as we can prioritise and maximise budgets.
 
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mikeh72 said:
Milner still plays about 40 games a season, it isn’t the same.
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So his body should be worse. Look at the difference between Milner and Rooney who have both been playing since 16. One had to move to America as he started to struggle and the other, a year older, manages to play loads of games st the top level still.

Baines's age doesnt matter, especially as cover.
 
Tin-Tin said:
So his body should be worse. Look at the difference between Milner and Rooney who have both been playing since 16. One had to move to America as he started to struggle and the other, a year older, manages to play loads of games st the top level still.

Baines's age doesnt matter, especially as cover.
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But he’s still a first teamer, that’s why they’re keeping him on. Baines is staying to literally play about 3 games next season.
 

mikeh72 said:
But he’s still a first teamer, that’s why they’re keeping him on. Baines is staying to literally play about 3 games next season.
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Exactly. So why pay big money for a backup when you have Baines and can use the money in more pressing areas
 
Billysgingham. said:
Is baines pushing a fit digne for his place..no.Thats what we need someone pushing in most positions.
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Tin-Tin said:
So his body should be worse. Look at the difference between Milner and Rooney who have both been playing since 16. One had to move to America as he started to struggle and the other, a year older, manages to play loads of games st the top level still.

Baines's age doesnt matter, especially as cover.
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I remember an interview from like ten years ago where Milner said something about how Ronaldo was able to go out drinking champagne whilst he had to stay in and have ice baths.

Defo on PED’s now though.
 
MarcelsGoat said:
He was MOTM in the last game he played.

Hes got 2 or 3 seasons at the very top left.
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I'd say at least 4 years at the top left. He is a good lad and has always looked after himself. Bainsey is the heartbeat of this club. I hope he becomes our manager one day.
 

Neiler said:
There is a bit of that alright, i dont think he has the engine to go full pelt in 3/4 competitions but as understudy hes fine, he might be called on for a bit more if a Lucas bad injury happens so i think he will be assessed physically on that by Anchelotti and that seems to be green light, go. Before his injury Lucas looked flogged to me.

I quired the Baines Vs Robinson move at the time, that was the decision for me. We needed to decide to nurture Robinson or stick with Baines, we went with Baines - the value of that decision is questionable, given that Robinson was an admin error away from 12 mill move to AC Milan three months after we sold him, but thats a different story and maybe an opportunity missed.

Baines is the best option we have in our own context. Ill put it like this, strategically we signed him for 6 mill in 2007, he has 0 book price at the mo, helping us to mitigate the huge losses in FFP as he cost neutral apart from wages. Dropping 7-20 mill on a back up or auxiliary left back is not a position the club want to be in this summer with other priorities in the squad, working in tight enough budgets, tight loss ceilings and trying to control and comply with FFP. He as a back up option helps with that given his profile, Coleman similarly. Its a no brainier really and an easy win for the club in cost control.

The same premise adds context to the Kenny Vs Sibide move, Kenny is cost neutral Vs 14 mill on Sibide. We're loosing Martina of the wage bill to. All these small decisions have wider impacts strategically.

If you decide, to sign Sibide and buy a new left back for 7-20 mill you are 20 -30 mill into your budget and loss ceilings before you do anything else.
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Would question the comparison with Kenny/Sidibe. Key difference is Kenny has market value if we sell. If we sell Kenny for a similar fee to Sidibe, in terms of FFP wouldn't we be better off? Sidibe fee spread across length of his contract whilst Kenny fee straight in the books. So a profit?
 
Blake said:
Would question the comparison with Kenny/Sidibe. Key difference is Kenny has market value if we sell. If we sell Kenny for a similar fee to Sidibe, in terms of FFP wouldn't we be better off? Sidibe fee spread across length of his contract whilst Kenny fee straight in the books. So a profit?
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Yep absolutely mate, you can factor in player trading as well, I was simplifying and being binary really for illustrative purposes, if we sell Kenny for 16 million and sign Sibide for 14 million then we make a profit.

I think it’s a bit hopeful getting north of about 7-8 million for Kenny myself speaking practically, but thats just my opinion.
 
Love him but I wouldn’t give him another contract. We should’ve signed a young understudy to him years ago and I’d like to see that now.
 

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