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Liverpool in the europa league?????
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RAWK has cheered me right up this morning, some superb stuff on there.
kenada_blue
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FSW doesnt know how to buy players. End of. It took him seasons to buy a world class striker and holding midfielder. Then spunks a further £25mill on some shocking squad players. Where'd he get Ngog from? Jimmy Vaughan would've done better than him last night and he's injured.
Im being honest. Our bench probably shades their bench in terms of quality..no is even better to be fair than their "squad".
Im being honest. Our bench probably shades their bench in terms of quality..no is even better to be fair than their "squad".
AdamTheGreatOneB
Player Valuation: £15m
With a bit of luck they'll finish bottom of their group and not even 'qualify' for the Europa League.
kenada_blue
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Thing is too is that I dont think the RS can afford to sack FSW. He'd get a ridiculous compo fee that they wouldnt like to throw at him, which is good to know.
What will be funny is if the RS get a result against United cos all their fans will praise the Waiter even more and forget about the previous defeats. Its what they tend to do.
What will be funny is if the RS get a result against United cos all their fans will praise the Waiter even more and forget about the previous defeats. Its what they tend to do.
Jamo Martinez
Player Valuation: £70m
And they say the Derby is our cup final. Sad barstewards
Whitebootman
Player Valuation: £35m
I like this from a RS forum, courtesy of chicoazul earlier.
Guys, i know all of us are pretty depressed and sad seeing us loose 4 in a row. But just think of what the great man Shanks would have done in such a situation
Maybe Rafael should follow Shanks' lead. Retire and buy a season ticket at Goodison where he'll see football as it should be played.
Guys, i know all of us are pretty depressed and sad seeing us loose 4 in a row. But just think of what the great man Shanks would have done in such a situation
Maybe Rafael should follow Shanks' lead. Retire and buy a season ticket at Goodison where he'll see football as it should be played.
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian
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taxi for benitez to finch farm.
just don't let him get involved ffs.
just don't let him get involved ffs.
Whitebootman
Player Valuation: £35m
He could nip out for the lunchtime tapas run.
kenada_blue
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Love a good crisis
How Rafael Benitez lost the trust of Liverpool fans for good: Martin Lipton's lunchtime read
By Laptop with Martin Lipton
Published 11:09 21/10/09
The boos that echoed round Anfield tolled the knell of Rafael Benitez' rapidly parting Liverpool day.
It was not just the defeat by Lyons that raised the spectre, more the angry reaction of many Reds fans to the decision to replace Yossi Benayoun with Ukrainian flop Andriy Voronin.
With Steven Gerrard and Glen Johnson now joining Fernando Torres as major doubts for Sunday's make or break home game with Manchester United, Benitez knows he is on the rack.
But while the Spaniard may believe that events outside his control are conspiring against him, the seeds of Benitez' downfall were sown by himself nine months ago - and given extra encouragement to grow by one catastrophically wrong transfer decision in the summer.
On January 9, Liverpool were in prime position to finally win back the crown that has been out of their grasp since 1990.
A Steven Gerrard-inspired 5-1 thumping of Newcastle meant Liverpool began 2009 two points clear of the rest despite a catalogue of dropped points on home soil against the likes of Stoke, Fulham, West Ham and Hull.
Benitez had been increasingly angered by the behaviour of arch-rival Sir Alex Ferguson, who had assume the role of his personal bete noir since Chelsea sacked Portuguese braggart Jose Mourinho and, believing himself in a position of strength, decided to go on the offensive.
It was, without question, the biggest mistake he could have made. What Benitez said was, in the main, not only justified but also accurate.
Fergie does get away with more than any other manager. Always has, always will. Referees, the Premier League, the FA - let alone the media - are terrified by him and he plays on those insecurities to ensure he gets what he wants by blast and bluster.
But saying it so publicly, calling it on with a man who would never be shy of fighting back, and who knew his own players would not wilt under the pressure of the title run-in, left Benitez' own players harbouring doubts.
If the manager could not keep calm from a position of strength, one or two of them ventured privately, how would he react when it started to get twitchy, as it always does?
What followed was almost inevitable, successive draws against Stoke, Everton and Wigan that saw Liverpool tumble to third, five more costly points dropped against Manchester City and doomed Middlesbrough the following month, the championship slipped from their grasp in the space of just seven games.
Even then, as Benitez and his players ruefully know, it might have changed after they thumped United at Old Trafford, only for the gods - and referees - to come to Fergie's aid: the extra minutes against Aston Villa which allowed Federico Macheda to emerge from nowhere and, most infamously, Howard Webb's shocker against Spurs that was the pivotal moment of the entire campaign.
For Liverpool and Benitez, just four points adrift in the final reckoning, it should have been the launchpad for the coming campaign, with all their rivals under clouds.
United had to cope with life after Cristiano Ronaldo, as well as the absence of Carlos Tevez; Chelsea, under new management again, with an ageing team; Arsenal having lost Emmanuel Adebayor and Kolo Toure.
All Benitez needed to do, surely, was hold things together, add a couple of new faces, keep a steady hand on the tiller. Instead, he sold Xabi Alonso to Real Madrid, taking the £30m and spending most of it in Alberto Aquilani, who may make his Liverpool debut for the successor to the man who bought him.
Alonso provided balance and security, the ability to win the ball and play an early pass. By contrast, Javier Mascherano appears to be pining for the move to Barcelona that did not materialise, while the manager's faith in Lucas Leiva seems increasingly unfathomable with every passing week.
So it comes to this. Twelve matches in the competitions that count. Six defeats.
Under the financial "masterplan" drafted by those footballing giants Tom Hicks and George Gillett, the Liverpool manager was only supposed to spend £20m per year for the next five seasons.
But that was predicated on a guarantee of Champions League football into the knockout stages, and the £30m that produces annually.
Suddenly, on the verge of group stage elimination, this year's income stream will be cut. Failure to make the top four - and if it becomes five defeats out of 10 in the league on Sunday, while City, Villa and Spurs keep on winning, that becomes a genuine possibility - and the drama does indeed become a crisis.
In Rafael we trust? Not any more, it seems. Those boos told the story and the truth.
The Waiter will cry on Sunday. Cry into his effing corn flakes on Monday. Get called into the Boardroom Tuesday. They wont pay him compo so will keep him and they'll slowly tumble.
How Rafael Benitez lost the trust of Liverpool fans for good: Martin Lipton's lunchtime read
By Laptop with Martin Lipton
Published 11:09 21/10/09
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The boos that echoed round Anfield tolled the knell of Rafael Benitez' rapidly parting Liverpool day.
It was not just the defeat by Lyons that raised the spectre, more the angry reaction of many Reds fans to the decision to replace Yossi Benayoun with Ukrainian flop Andriy Voronin.
With Steven Gerrard and Glen Johnson now joining Fernando Torres as major doubts for Sunday's make or break home game with Manchester United, Benitez knows he is on the rack.
But while the Spaniard may believe that events outside his control are conspiring against him, the seeds of Benitez' downfall were sown by himself nine months ago - and given extra encouragement to grow by one catastrophically wrong transfer decision in the summer.
On January 9, Liverpool were in prime position to finally win back the crown that has been out of their grasp since 1990.
A Steven Gerrard-inspired 5-1 thumping of Newcastle meant Liverpool began 2009 two points clear of the rest despite a catalogue of dropped points on home soil against the likes of Stoke, Fulham, West Ham and Hull.
Benitez had been increasingly angered by the behaviour of arch-rival Sir Alex Ferguson, who had assume the role of his personal bete noir since Chelsea sacked Portuguese braggart Jose Mourinho and, believing himself in a position of strength, decided to go on the offensive.
It was, without question, the biggest mistake he could have made. What Benitez said was, in the main, not only justified but also accurate.
Fergie does get away with more than any other manager. Always has, always will. Referees, the Premier League, the FA - let alone the media - are terrified by him and he plays on those insecurities to ensure he gets what he wants by blast and bluster.
But saying it so publicly, calling it on with a man who would never be shy of fighting back, and who knew his own players would not wilt under the pressure of the title run-in, left Benitez' own players harbouring doubts.
If the manager could not keep calm from a position of strength, one or two of them ventured privately, how would he react when it started to get twitchy, as it always does?
What followed was almost inevitable, successive draws against Stoke, Everton and Wigan that saw Liverpool tumble to third, five more costly points dropped against Manchester City and doomed Middlesbrough the following month, the championship slipped from their grasp in the space of just seven games.
Even then, as Benitez and his players ruefully know, it might have changed after they thumped United at Old Trafford, only for the gods - and referees - to come to Fergie's aid: the extra minutes against Aston Villa which allowed Federico Macheda to emerge from nowhere and, most infamously, Howard Webb's shocker against Spurs that was the pivotal moment of the entire campaign.
For Liverpool and Benitez, just four points adrift in the final reckoning, it should have been the launchpad for the coming campaign, with all their rivals under clouds.
United had to cope with life after Cristiano Ronaldo, as well as the absence of Carlos Tevez; Chelsea, under new management again, with an ageing team; Arsenal having lost Emmanuel Adebayor and Kolo Toure.
All Benitez needed to do, surely, was hold things together, add a couple of new faces, keep a steady hand on the tiller. Instead, he sold Xabi Alonso to Real Madrid, taking the £30m and spending most of it in Alberto Aquilani, who may make his Liverpool debut for the successor to the man who bought him.
Alonso provided balance and security, the ability to win the ball and play an early pass. By contrast, Javier Mascherano appears to be pining for the move to Barcelona that did not materialise, while the manager's faith in Lucas Leiva seems increasingly unfathomable with every passing week.
So it comes to this. Twelve matches in the competitions that count. Six defeats.
Under the financial "masterplan" drafted by those footballing giants Tom Hicks and George Gillett, the Liverpool manager was only supposed to spend £20m per year for the next five seasons.
But that was predicated on a guarantee of Champions League football into the knockout stages, and the £30m that produces annually.
Suddenly, on the verge of group stage elimination, this year's income stream will be cut. Failure to make the top four - and if it becomes five defeats out of 10 in the league on Sunday, while City, Villa and Spurs keep on winning, that becomes a genuine possibility - and the drama does indeed become a crisis.
In Rafael we trust? Not any more, it seems. Those boos told the story and the truth.
The Waiter will cry on Sunday. Cry into his effing corn flakes on Monday. Get called into the Boardroom Tuesday. They wont pay him compo so will keep him and they'll slowly tumble.
Robert Jarvis
Player Valuation: £35m
Only a couple of players injured and look what happens. Just think if they would have been able to cope with the list of injuries we had last season and still carrying into this.
Tennessee Blue Mike
Player Valuation: £50m
Wheels are coming off. You can put lipstick on a pig but that would get you only so far in a beauty contest.
monty
Sack Sky and donate to GOT...donations are needed
Wheels are coming off. You can put lipstick on a pig but that would get you only so far in a beauty contest.
TBM, when Chico sees this he'll give it one mate, lipstick, pigs, love, bestiality
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