Luke Garbutt

blue61 · May 19, 2015

He needs something other than money and playing time to make him stay. "Ok Luke, you can go, but the hair stays"

Walsall Blue · May 19, 2015

If he was any where near Oviedo I'd be gutted but he isn't so I'm not and to top it off he's a kopite.

dannyboy · May 19, 2015

Everything I've seen of him suggests he's going to be a very good player.

Let Oviedo go and rotate him with Baines when needed next year.

sd_1992 · May 19, 2015

dannyboy said:
Everything I've seen of him suggests he's going to be a very good player.

Let Oviedo go and rotate him with Baines when needed next year.

Whenever Oviedo has played he has been 10 times the player garbutt has. Garbutt is 3rd choice for a reason....

dannyboy · May 19, 2015

sd_1992 said:
Whenever Oviedo has played he has been 10 times the player garbutt has. Garbutt is 3rd choice for a reason....

Not convinced by that, plus his injury problems are a huge cause for concern.

The times I've seen Garbutt has definitely reminded me of a young Baines.

sd_1992 · May 19, 2015

dannyboy said:
Not convinced by that, plus his injury problems are a huge cause for concern.

The times I've seen Garbutt has definitely reminded me of a young Baines.

Oviedo was good enough to replace Baines last season (even this season the odd game he has played he has been excellent), wheras Garbutt hasn't ever deserved to replace Baines this season. I think Garbutt may well turn into a quality LB, but he doesn't deserve a first XI place now and if that is his condition for staying then goodbye and good luck.

carolinablue232 · May 19, 2015

It's tough to find quality left backs. Look around the league. Somehow we have 3. I wish Garbutt would stay, but I understand if he doesn't. He shouldnt be running to Liverpool though. Tough to blame him if he ran off to Bournemouth or something to get time. I might be a bit behind, but I'm really not understanding the hate for the guy. What has he said that's so offensive?

dannyboy · May 19, 2015

sd_1992 said:
Oviedo was good enough to replace Baines last season (even this season the odd game he has played he has been excellent), wheras Garbutt hasn't ever deserved to replace Baines this season. I think Garbutt may well turn into a quality LB, but he doesn't deserve a first XI place now and if that is his condition for staying then goodbye and good luck.

I think Oviedo was brilliant last year, just don't know if he can reach those levels again consistently.

I just think it'll be gutting if Garbutt goes onto be an excellent player for someone else... Especially seeing as Baines probably has two seasons left at the top of his game.

rochdaleblue · May 19, 2015

If only Coleman had the same level of competition on the right wing. For what it's worth Baines still no. 1 for me. The form of Oviedo last season was excellent and he gave his all whenever he played for us. Indeed many where speculating at the time whether Oviedo should retain the shirt upon Baines' return. However due to the cruel injuries Oviedo has suffered we don't know if the lad will play at that level again. We all certainly hope so. As for garbutt the lad looks a decent player, but it's going to be at least 2 years before he is challenging foe baines' jersey. With him being third in the pecking order you can see why the lad wants away. The only thing that could change that is moyes' rumoured interest in Oviedo. If that is true maybe he could be tempted to be Baines' understudy. The perfect scenario for me would be garbutt to sign a new contract and be loaned out (preferably to one of the newly promoted clubs) to gain more experience.

blue_aussie05 · May 20, 2015

davek said:
Here's my attitude toward Garbutt: if he wasn't getting a sniff then fair enough, he's entitled to think 'WTF am I hanging on here for?'. But he is getting a game and he is rated by the manager and seen as the future.

But he didn't get a game on Saturday, when the first two left back options are out injured for the remainder of the season.

Not only that, but he was overlooked in favour of a debutant centre back playing at left back instead of him.

stamullenblue · May 20, 2015

Maybe a test ! If he wants to stay Saturday was no biggie ... If he wants to go we have to let him. I think he will sign very soon !

Jeff Jones · May 20, 2015

Why doesn't he tell us what his preferences are? Yes, I know the answer to that but there must be someone who could leak it.

First I've heard about him being a Liverpool supporter and I hope he doesn't end up there.

bluemangroup · May 20, 2015

blue_aussie05 said:
But he didn't get a game on Saturday, when the first two left back options are out injured for the remainder of the season.

Not only that, but he was overlooked in favour of a debutant centre back playing at left back instead of him.

Then he should toe the line and keep on the managers good side if he wants game time. The opportunity to showcase his ability was there for him but he's been a bit of an idiot and deserves to face consequences of that.

catcherintherye · May 20, 2015

davek said:
Loopholes or not, the swoop on Leeds was different because the player was the subject of a struggle between two opposing forces for his services (such as they were at that time). Now we have no other club providing the 'pull' element as Everton did, it's just the player looking to exploit his market position. I wouldn't blame any club in the near future coming in for a cheaply priced Garbutt, in the same way as I don't blame Everton for taking advantage of a technicality with Leeds. Garbutt's attitude here is the issue. He's not an object in all this, he's made himself the subject.

Here's my attitude toward Garbutt: if he wasn't getting a sniff then fair enough, he's entitled to think 'WTF am I hanging on here for?'. But he is getting a game and he is rated by the manager and seen as the future.

Ultimately, therefore, you have to ask of a young man where their loyalty is; their corp spirit...that's not a moral stance but one very central to being at a football club. Some supporters are arguing his position for him from a 'rational individual' point of view: that he's a free operator (or will be) and he doesn't have to pay any heed to what it means to the club and his team mates...he's just exploiting the best strategy for himself. Well I cant get behind that. I believe it to be alien to life as a footballer. (Bosman's are different in that the player in question usually dont owe a current club anything having been coached to professional level elsewhere and then seeing a full pro contract out.) At base, Garbutt stance as a youngster breaking through with the help of others and offering nothing back is a case of market sentiment triumphing over a sense of community, and I dont see how we can give 'understanding' to that. We stress our community all the time; it's what binds us together and why we use forums like this to express that sense of community. It doesn't compute that we should be looking to understand a player who's stance is the antithesis of that communal approach. If you're an orthodox economist you can support it, but a football fan, no.

Well I have been called many things in my time, but I can categorically say I am not an orthodox economist!

You are right to compare and contrast this as on the one hand a battle between individualist self-interest and on the other hand communitarianism.

I have little to argue or debate with you when it comes to Garbutt he is acting in his own self interest. I suppose where my disagreement comes is it presents a very rose tinted view of Everton.

We knew the sort of person we were getting when we signed him on a technicality. A Player who would essentially screw over the club who had brought him up to further his career. We profited from that. There wasn't much sense of community there, it was pure market sentiment. We got what we wanted at a knockdown price.

If you then look at our intentions more closely. It's clear Garbutt wants to play more football and first team football. BY 21 this is a reasonable request (not born out of market sentiment). So he will look to leave. If he signs a contract we get more money for him.
I suspect most who are up in arms on here are not annoyed he will be leaving (we already have Oviedo and Baines ahead of him and are well covered there) but annoyed we won't get more money for him. That is fair enough, but don't dress it up that it's about a sense of community, when it is about us getting more money for the player, which is the exact thing we accuse Garbutt of.

I regret football is as it is. It's a game for mercenaries and that sense of community is now a weakness, which is an awful shame. But Everton perpetuate this. It's like the Sterling situation, they poached him from QPR. Something sits uneasy with me when clubs do that.
They are now reaping what they sowe with him, a player who is screwing them over just as Garbutt is with us. But when you sign the sort of player who'd leave their own academy as a teenager for a knockdown fee, I suppose that's what you expect.

If you go on RAWK now, there are hoards of them whinging about the 20% fee they have to pay to QPR. It is embarrassing. I think us complaining because we might lose a bit of money, or equating it to a broader philosophical question is also not really true.