Managers behaving badly

[NathDogg]

Let’s see if the FA and premier league have the minerals to do what they must to shippmann and issue a lengthy ban.

If they don’t then what was the point of all this…..

https://www.thefa.com/news/2022/aug/31/enough-is-enough-20220109

 

[Marius57]

It wouldn`t be too difficult to introduce a few of the rugby rules ( both codes ) into footy and it`d give the ref a lot more authority :

1. Only the captains can talk to the ref.
2. Anyone else approaching the ref and the ball is moved forward ten yards.
3. Any form of foul or abusive language towards the ref, results in getting sin binned or if it`s really bad a straight red.

They introduced sin bins to grass roots footy last season, for things like back chat, but it hardly seems to be used.

Some of the stuff I`ve seen at kids footy, is just sickening - 22 play brawl, head butting, running kicks to the head on the floor and parents / coaching staff, fighting with each other on the line.

All over a game of kids footy, that meant nothing.

They can do that can't they? Didn't it happen with gravesen once and it got moved 10 yards forward? They continued to complain so Tommy picked it up with a grin and started moving it further forward.

 

[toffee82]

I threatened to send a parent off from the school grounds for swearing at the ref (happened to be me!) ... even used the f word at the tip if his voice, in an after school match against a posh school. He was a parent of one of the lads in the posh school. Our school was rough as. I blew my whistle and slowly walked over to him and said "we don't use that word in this school" ... which was a blatant lie- it was used like punctuation.

When he asked "what if I don't go?" I simply said then I'll go, the match will end ... and all these kids and all the other parents will know its because you, a grown man, can't control your emotions over a child's game any you will have wasted everybody's time and effort getting here.

He shut up. The kids were as good as gold. I even heard a ripple of applause from somewhere - but that could have been in my head!

I haven't reffed for a long time.

Last one was a kids tournament as a volunteer. On the other pitch, the coach was berating another volunteer ref after the game (his team won).

I had one player about to start with abuse. I threw the whistle at them (a looping throw) and said "you do it then and I'll go home." They gave me a gormless look and I said "well shut it then".

Thing is this was an under 9s tournament.

 

[COYBL25]

They can do that can't they? Didn't it happen with gravesen once and it got moved 10 yards forward? They continued to complain so Tommy picked it up with a grin and started moving it further forward.

I could be wrong, but don’t think they can in pro footy.

 

[COYBL25]

I haven't reffed for a long time.

Last one was a kids tournament as a volunteer. On the other pitch, the coach was berating another volunteer ref after the game (his team won).

I had one player about to start with abuse. I threw the whistle at them (a looping throw) and said "you do it then and I'll go home." They gave me a gormless look and I said "well shut it then".

Thing is this was an under 9s tournament.

I always try and make a point of thanking the ref for his / her time, regardless of the result.

Little things like that go a long way, especially if they’re young and you can see they lack a bit of confidence.

 

[Marius57]

I could be wrong, but don’t think they can in pro footy.

It was scrapped after 4 years. (Early 2000s). Apparently the referees preferred ot though as dissent reduced.

 

[chrismpw]

I haven't reffed for a long time.

Last one was a kids tournament as a volunteer. On the other pitch, the coach was berating another volunteer ref after the game (his team won).

I had one player about to start with abuse. I threw the whistle at them (a looping throw) and said "you do it then and I'll go home." They gave me a gormless look and I said "well shut it then".

Thing is this was an under 9s tournament.

There was a well known over competitive cretin of a pe teacher in our town. A well known cheat - so bad he was eventually dismissed for being a bad influence. He brought a team of girls to an inter schools 5 a side tournament I'd organised in the mid 90s. It was the first one any school had ever done, hundreds of girls delighted to be able to play - we even got Paul Bodin in from Swindon Town to present the trophy (unfortunately for him this was shortly after he'd missed a penalty for Wales that would have helped get them to a world Cup as I recall .... the "banter" from some if the kids was brutal).

After my girls had given his an absolute whipping he came demanded a bye and threatened to report us to the FA because one of our girls didn't have shin pads on. His own head of dept (later on the head ofv dept swapped schools and became our headmaster... he was a good bloke) who was there was open mouthed in shock ... I just laughed at him and suggested he host and organise the next tournament and make up his own rules.

 

[toffee82]

I always try and make a point of thanking the ref for his / her time, regardless of the result.

Little things like that go a long way, especially if they’re young and you can see they lack a bit of confidence.

I used to always do that and shake the refs hand at the end of a game regardless of what might have happened during the match.

 

[twoblue]

What can you do? Stadium ban them?

Genuinely there’s no non-radical way of curbing it, the least bizarre is to ban a player for their actions, and that’s still ridiculous.

But this isn’t something new. The Premier League have bent over backwards for Pep and Klopp for years now.

Scraps replays, Winter Breaks, 5 Subs, bigger benches, no early KOs after Europe.

When you’re placed in a position where you’re practically immune, you’ll find that both act as if they are immune. Problem is the damage is already done, and the things which aren’t already set in stone are fully on their way in such as downgrading of the league cup.

Not sure pep has been too bad. Ferguson and wenger paved the way, mourinho kept it going and now Klopp is the man that has become untouchable

 

[BlueStevie35]

How does a red card for a manager stop this sort of thing?
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Not to brag or take it OT but the guy who’s quote is on this pic is my Uncle, a former official and assessor with the FA, he’s also a Red but has been having running battles with the Kult on Twitter since Sunday for slating Shipmann and not the referees

 

[tommye]

I threatened to send a parent off from the school grounds for swearing at the ref (happened to be me!) ... even used the f word at the tip if his voice, in an after school match against a posh school. He was a parent of one of the lads in the posh school. Our school was rough as. I blew my whistle and slowly walked over to him and said "we don't use that word in this school" ... which was a blatant lie- it was used like punctuation.

When he asked "what if I don't go?" I simply said then I'll go, the match will end ... and all these kids and all the other parents will know its because you, a grown man, can't control your emotions over a child's game any you will have wasted everybody's time and effort getting here.

He shut up. The kids were as good as gold. I even heard a ripple of applause from somewhere - but that could have been in my head!

My love for you grows each and every day.




Be still my beating heart ?

 

[wandyr79]

It wouldn`t be too difficult to introduce a few of the rugby rules ( both codes ) into footy and it`d give the ref a lot more authority :

1. Only the captains can talk to the ref.
2. Anyone else approaching the ref and the ball is moved forward ten yards.
3. Any form of foul or abusive language towards the ref, results in getting sin binned or if it`s really bad a straight red.

They introduced sin bins to grass roots footy last season, for things like back chat, but it hardly seems to be used.

Some of the stuff I`ve seen at kids footy, is just sickening - 22 play brawl, head butting, running kicks to the head on the floor and parents / coaching staff, fighting with each other on the line.

All over a game of kids footy, that meant nothing.

This for me is one of the major annoyances, there are a few rules that just don't simply get enforced. Reactive dive bans (we are still the only club to have that enforced on a player), where did it go? 6 second keeper rule, where did that go? Shirt pulling in the area, now and again a player will be punished but it is so isolated that it is pointless to even have it as a rule.

Again, we get down to communication to players/managers/fans.

The main thing is they bring any or all of the 3 points you raise they HAVE to be enforced. Was going to mention the 10 yard rule myself, along with the captains. I have a memory that they did bring in the captains only but again was seen in about 2 games and then they gave up.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with a decision but it is how these players and managers do it. Seeing pictures like Man Utd and Klopp is most definitely an extremely bad image and the kids, who look at these players/managers as role models/heroes, will be seeing this as an acceptable way to act in life, never mind on a football field.

 

[BullensRoad]

What can you do? Stadium ban them?

Genuinely there’s no non-radical way of curbing it, the least bizarre is to ban a player for their actions, and that’s still ridiculous.

But this isn’t something new. The Premier League have bent over backwards for Pep and Klopp for years now.

Scraps replays, Winter Breaks, 5 Subs, bigger benches, no early KOs after Europe.

When you’re placed in a position where you’re practically immune, you’ll find that both act as if they are immune. Problem is the damage is already done, and the things which aren’t already set in stone are fully on their way in such as downgrading of the league cup.

You're absolutely spot on.