Managers to be sacked in the PL 2021/22

[roydo]

Well Pearson (talking of Leicester) was the manager who I thought of as the right person for that job but he's got the Bristol City job probably hired just for that very reason.

Yeah, I know. Bristol City have a (fan) rich owner, who has showered them with cash and an ace redeveloped ground. But if they got up, they would last 2 minutes. Just the way it usually is.

 

[roydo]

It would surprise me if Saints went down yes. I think they and someone like Palace have sort of established themselves as lower mid-table sides that won't yo-yo at the minute. I think Norwich can get to that too.

They may well do so. They have clearly an excellent recruitment policy, but again, they have both been a mid table/yo yo/disaster club for as long as I can remember.

But not Norwich. They are Norwich. And know that.

 

[TheBigIguana]

They may well do so. They have clearly an excellent recruitment policy, but again, they have both been a mid table/yo yo/disaster club for as long as I can remember.

But not Norwich. They are Norwich. And know that.

I'd be pretty stunned if the relegation spots weren't three of Watford, Norwich, Brentford, Newcastle and Burnley

 

[Toast]

I feel like it isn't impossible for Norwich to be Southampton level.

Selling us Ben Godfrey can’t help them progress though.

 

[GedMoore]

Has to be Pep lite surely

And some wanted him here

 

[roydo]

I'd be pretty stunned if the relegation spots weren't three of Watford, Norwich, Brentford, Newcastle and Burnley

And Southampton maybe. And neither would be fatally damaged as a club if they dropped. Thats the point; there is a natural food chain in English football. Sometimes it gets mucked up, (Leicester), but not often. Sage owners know that, so take whats on offer.

The days of a genius manager like Clough or Robson taking clubs like Forest and Ipswich to the heights are gone. Until the inevitable reset.

 

[TheBigIguana]

And Southampton maybe. And neither would be fatally damaged as a club if they dropped. Thats the point; there is a natural food chain in English football. Sometimes it gets mucked up, (Leicester), but not often. Sage owners know that, so take whats on offer.

The days of a genius manager like Clough or Robson taking clubs like Forest and Ipswich to the heights are gone. Until the inevitable reset.

I don't really want to go into this but I just don't think that's very true. The best club in England the last ten years messed with the chain just to start.

 

[roydo]

I don't really want to go into this but I just don't think that's very true. The best club in England the last ten years messed with the chain just to start.

Who? City?

They have always been a top club, just chronically run until the money turned up. They had huge gates when they played Div 3 footie.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Who? City?

They have always been a top club, just chronically run until the money turned up. They had huge gates when they played Div 3 footie.

I'm sure you're going to tell me I'm wrong about everyone but I'd say City, Chelsea, Everton, Brighton, Leicester and Brentford are all at very different places in the hierarchy than they were 30 years ago. Going down the leagues produces more examples. Sunderland, Bolton, and Blackburn off the top of my head but also Bournemouth going the other way.

Point being Norwich only wanting to be slightly better and becoming a stable PL side instead of constant promotion/relegation contenders isn't far fetched imo.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

Point being Norwich only wanting to be slightly better and becoming a stable PL side instead of constant promotion/relegation contenders isn't far fetched imo.

Really I agree but rather than doing the Burnley way of a promotion, relegation and then stabilising after the second promotion, they look far more like a West Brom to me spending decades alternating between promotion and relegation.

If anything they promise to be worse this time round than two years ago when they were awful. They're really not progressing but are happy with their model of being an slmost permanent yo-yo club. Financially it probably works, so I wouldn't knock it.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Really I agree but rather than doing the Burnley way of a promotion, relegation and then stabilising after the second promotion, they look far more like a West Brom to me spending decades alternating between promotion and relegation.

If anything they promise to be worse this time round than two years ago when they were awful. They're really not progressing but are happy with their model of being an slmost permanent yo-yo club. Financially it probably works, so I wouldn't knock it.

My only issue is it makes the league less fun when they have a team just getting whacked week in, week out. Being an up and down team is whatever, having a -60 GD every time you're up gets old.

 

[Chris O'Connor]

My only issue is it makes the league less fun when they have a team just getting whacked week in, week out. Being an up and down team is whatever, having a -60 GD every time your up gets old.

Yeah very predictable when they were running away with the championship that they'd be the worst of the promoted teams and certain to get battered every week.

They must love getting relegated back to the Championship were they don't lose every week

 

[catcherintherye]

Really I agree but rather than doing the Burnley way of a promotion, relegation and then stabilising after the second promotion, they look far more like a West Brom to me spending decades alternating between promotion and relegation.

If anything they promise to be worse this time round than two years ago when they were awful. They're really not progressing but are happy with their model of being an slmost permanent yo-yo club. Financially it probably works, so I wouldn't knock it.

I kind of understand the thinking with Norwich, which crudely seems to be that you can find ordinary players, quite cheaply and stay up.

What I dont think theyve really thought of is the type of player that's needed short term to get you a foothold. They seem to want to play like a top of the table team, with probably the lowest budget in the league. It's completely gung ho and doesnt protect the downside anywhere near enough.

If you look at Brighton, who are similar in thinking, they kept Chris Houghton for 2-3 years to lay the groundwork. They kept Duffy and Dunk, and then Dunk for a period of time.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I kind of understand the thinking with Norwich, which crudely seems to be that you can find ordinary players, quite cheaply and stay up.

What I dont think theyve really thought of is the type of player that's needed short term to get you a foothold. They seem to want to play like a top of the table team, with probably the lowest budget in the league. It's completely gung ho and doesnt protect the downside anywhere near enough.

If you look at Brighton, who are similar in thinking, they kept Chris Houghton for 2-3 years to lay the groundwork. They kept Duffy and Dunk, and then Dunk for a period of time.

Brighton isn't really comparable I don't think because they've spent significantly since coming up. Transfermarkt isn't completely accurate but they've got them spending over 50m a year net for the first three seasons they were up. Norwich were in the 5m range last time and are about 20m this time.

Brighton tried to and succeeded at stepping up to that level where you expect them to stay up even if they aren't pushing Europe. Norwich won't even try. I mean even Brentford is at 30m. It might not work for Norwich but they've been promoted enough times now that I'd just like to see them give it a real go once.