Manchester United

[KaiserEFC]

Their fanbase is about to explode, 2nd time they've protested outside a CEO's house, they did it to Woodward outside his house early last season , and didn't they do it to Rooney as well when he was heavily linked to City and apprehensive over signing a new contract, protesting getting games postponed, pitch invasions etc etc, not a happy place OT.

Do they even have the patience for Ten Haag to put his footprint on the team, if they finish outside the top 4 again even with having finally a playing style that shows some progress will they be happy, they've been spoilt in having a once in a lifetime manager and it's warped their view, they just expect PL titles and trophies every season.

Tough job for Ten Haag, I'd be surprised if he lasts 2 seasons, the job seems to be a poisoned chalice since Fergie retired.

I’m not sure many posters on an Everton forum care if I’m honest mate

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Do they even have the patience for Ten Haag to put his footprint on the team, if they finish outside the top 4 again even with having finally a playing style that shows some progress will they be happy, they've been spoilt in having a once in a lifetime manager and it's warped their view, they just expect PL titles and trophies every season.

Tough job for Ten Haag, I'd be surprised if he lasts 2 seasons, the job seems to be a poisoned chalice since Fergie retired.

Imagine that...

 

[YoboCopter]

Thinking 300k a week is an insult just highlights out shockingly out of touch these players are

They were going to pay him three times the value of my home for a week's work and he talks like it'd be a pittance

I wish there wasn't a swear filter on here sometimes

Didnt even no you could get a house for 100k anymore

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Didnt even no you could get a house for 100k anymore

One of the benefits that comes with living in the middle of nowhere I guess

 

[GoldenToffee]

Thinking 300k a week is an insult just highlights out shockingly out of touch these players are

They were going to pay him three times the value of my home for a week's work and he talks like it'd be a pittance

I wish there wasn't a swear filter on here sometimes

Yep, an absolutely disgusting thing to come out and say, in all fairness, especially when he's representing a club from a working class part of the country.

They offered him about 375 times the UK average hourly wage (estimated about £20 an hour (£7500), x40 hours) for a job he loves doing, and certainly doesn't need to work anywhere near 40 hours a week to earn the money he's paid.

Can you imagine that. Clearing £1m pounds a month. You can't even spend that amount of money.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

Meeting the 1958 fans group looks good for him but the reality is where does that affect the situation , the main issue of the matter is a lot of United fans want the glazers out , even if we made a revival they should leave , they have put none of their own money into the club ands took a lot out and created lots of debt , they disliked intensely by the fans , the club is in a mess ands been run recently like a circus

 

[The Legend of Southall]

Yep, an absolutely disgusting thing to come out and say, in all fairness, especially when he's representing a club from a working class part of the country.

They offered him about 375 times the UK average hourly wage (estimated about £20 an hour (£7500), x40 hours) for a job he loves doing, and certainly doesn't need to work anywhere near 40 hours a week to earn the money he's paid.

Can you imagine that. Clearing £1m pounds a month. You can't even spend that amount of money.

Average hourly wage? £20 an hour? That's pretty much double what I get. As an nation wide average?

*cries

 

[GoldenToffee]

Average hourly wage? £20 an hour? That's pretty much double what I get. As an nation wide average?

*cries

I've no idea to be honest mate but obviously some people earn filthy money don't they which surely brings up the average.

 

[The Legend of Southall]

I've no idea to be honest mate but obviously some people earn filthy money don't they which surely brings up the average.

You're undoubtedly right mate. Just came as a bit of shock to be honest.

It's just depressing when you think about it. All my assets, and every single penny I've earned in my entire lifetime, is dwarfed by a footballers monthly wage

 

[spectateur]

I've no idea to be honest mate but obviously some people earn filthy money don't they which surely brings up the average.

Depends which form of average is used.
For wages, House prices and the like the median is normally used.
It means that half the people get more than the figure and half get less.
Big values at the top end do not significantly alter the median value.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Depends which form of average is used.
For wages, House prices and the like the median is normally used.
It means that half the people get more than the figure and half get less.
Big values at the top end do not significantly alter the median value.

Alright Carol Vorderman ffs.

Just kidding mate, you're far better at maths than I am though. lol

 

[catcherintherye]

Their fanbase is about to explode, 2nd time they've protested outside a CEO's house, they did it to Woodward outside his house early last season , and didn't they do it to Rooney as well when he was heavily linked to City and apprehensive over signing a new contract, protesting getting games postponed, pitch invasions etc etc, not a happy place OT.

Do they even have the patience for Ten Haag to put his footprint on the team, if they finish outside the top 4 again even with having finally a playing style that shows some progress will they be happy, they've been spoilt in having a once in a lifetime manager and it's warped their view, they just expect PL titles and trophies every season.

Tough job for Ten Haag, I'd be surprised if he lasts 2 seasons, the job seems to be a poisoned chalice since Fergie retired.

I think that's a bit of an exageration to be honest mate. They are frustrated, with some justification. They are the most successful club in English football, and over most of our lifetimes (or certainly mine) nobody even gets close to them.

What they don't seem to grasp though, and it's not just them, but actually this counts for very little. What you did 5/10/20 years ago doesn't matter. People around football also seem to hold to this bizarre myth about "being a winner". It's kind of played out like a very crude, working class twist on Gordon Gecko. That if you puff your chest out and tell everyone how much of a winner you are, you win. It doesn't really work like that.

If you look at say Liverpool, it was the fact John Henry did the opposite of this, and ignored the fans, that led the turnaround. He got rid of Dalglish, got rid of the bootroom, got rid of the dated culture that existed and realised it meant absolutely nothing, and actually probably just held them back. He's about as far removed fromthe archetypal "winner" that people associated, he's a quiet, weird, socially awkward nerd that likes patterns in numbers. He's very good at it.

I digress slightly. I think United probably need some ideas that are out of the ordinary. I like Roy Keane, but him banging on about "winners" doesn't really mean anything. But they also probably have to accept that most organisations are cyclical. There's no divine right to be at the top. Most businesses dont stay at the top indefinitely. There is an assumption they should, but goodness knows why, it's not common across businesses.

Ten Haag probably won't be given time. The best sort of manager they could go for is probably an Ancelotti, who manages expensively assembled rosters as well as anyone. He doesn't do the transformational long term stuff (though hes never been given the luxury of time) but he would get them organised very quickly.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

I think that's a bit of an exageration to be honest mate. They are frustrated, with some justification. They are the most successful club in English football, and over most of our lifetimes (or certainly mine) nobody even gets close to them.

What they don't seem to grasp though, and it's not just them, but actually this counts for very little. What you did 5/10/20 years ago doesn't matter. People around football also seem to hold to this bizarre myth about "being a winner". It's kind of played out like a very crude, working class twist on Gordon Gecko. That if you puff your chest out and tell everyone how much of a winner you are, you win. It doesn't really work like that.

If you look at say Liverpool, it was the fact John Henry did the opposite of this, and ignored the fans, that led the turnaround. He got rid of Dalglish, got rid of the bootroom, got rid of the dated culture that existed and realised it meant absolutely nothing, and actually probably just held them back. He's about as far removed fromthe archetypal "winner" that people associated, he's a quiet, weird, socially awkward nerd that likes patterns in numbers. He's very good at it.

I digress slightly. I think United probably need some ideas that are out of the ordinary. I like Roy Keane, but him banging on about "winners" doesn't really mean anything. But they also probably have to accept that most organisations are cyclical. There's no divine right to be at the top. Most businesses dont stay at the top indefinitely. There is an assumption they should, but goodness knows why, it's not common across businesses.

Ten Haag probably won't be given time. The best sort of manager they could go for is probably an Ancelotti, who manages expensively assembled rosters as well as anyone. He doesn't do the transformational long term stuff (though hes never been given the luxury of time) but he would get them organised very quickly.

Very good post the fans firstly want the pride put back into the club , they want the new manager to be given a chance and backed in the transfer market without interference, ands they want the glazers out although we have no control over that, United have no divine right to win anything but currently it is abysmal and something drastic needs to happen

 

[Rita_Poon]

I think that's a bit of an exageration to be honest mate. They are frustrated, with some justification. They are the most successful club in English football, and over most of our lifetimes (or certainly mine) nobody even gets close to them.

What they don't seem to grasp though, and it's not just them, but actually this counts for very little. What you did 5/10/20 years ago doesn't matter. People around football also seem to hold to this bizarre myth about "being a winner". It's kind of played out like a very crude, working class twist on Gordon Gecko. That if you puff your chest out and tell everyone how much of a winner you are, you win. It doesn't really work like that.

If you look at say Liverpool, it was the fact John Henry did the opposite of this, and ignored the fans, that led the turnaround. He got rid of Dalglish, got rid of the bootroom, got rid of the dated culture that existed and realised it meant absolutely nothing, and actually probably just held them back. He's about as far removed fromthe archetypal "winner" that people associated, he's a quiet, weird, socially awkward nerd that likes patterns in numbers. He's very good at it.

I digress slightly. I think United probably need some ideas that are out of the ordinary. I like Roy Keane, but him banging on about "winners" doesn't really mean anything. But they also probably have to accept that most organisations are cyclical. There's no divine right to be at the top. Most businesses dont stay at the top indefinitely. There is an assumption they should, but goodness knows why, it's not common across businesses.

Ten Haag probably won't be given time. The best sort of manager they could go for is probably an Ancelotti, who manages expensively assembled rosters as well as anyone. He doesn't do the transformational long term stuff (though hes never been given the luxury of time) but he would get them organised very quickly.

Keane makes a good point badly, he's pushing professionalism, you want the big bucks then you go out and earn it and prove you're worth them. There is no reputation, only as good as your last game. He's now cast as the cartoon villain for sound bites, "and over to Roy for this weeks headline knife in the back...".
He's stuck in a vision of the game that's long since gone, much inferior players to him will earn his career earnings in a third of the time. Lager, fighting, terrace heroes, Clough, players bombed out (of a club I hasten) for attitude issues. There's more sports science and social media to the game now and its better for the science but along with most everything else worse for the saturated coverage, Players are brands, clubs are stepping stones, club owners are beyond billionaires, and the product (or whats left of it) is being spread thinner across more markets to push schlock and sleaze leaving Joe average in the stands with even less for his 50 notes worth of the experience.
I understand fully why so many have opted out and more so never opted in to start with.
Shambles!

 

[EverTheOptimist]

Roy Keane is brilliant TV though, Sky got him at the right time while United are back to the pre and post Busby level of being abject.

The scowls at laughing emoji Micah Richards, losing it at Carragher, the heated debates with Neville and his resentment and disdain at that stealing a living joke of a CB being captain at United right now.