2019/20 Marcel Brands

[Bigduke1234]

It's not a massive issue but I don't think it's fair to say it shouldn't be brought up. Bringing in an international keeper who's been a number 1 keeper pretty much all his career (and all at the top level) to be our number 3 was a pretty unnecessary extravagance for a club that's trying to trim its wage bill. Stek was never going to leave because - to everybody's bemusement - Brands gave him a new contract last year.

So we should really be debating why we have stek an extension because that’s a poor decision

 

[COYBL25]

I think you've misinterpreted. I believe he gave Stek a 2-year deal in 2018 because he wanted him as his back-up, which is fair, he was 35 at the time which isn't exactly past it for a keeper and wasn't a liability when called upon. Then in 2019 - as you said yourself - "bringing in international keeper who's been a number 1 keeper pretty much all his career (and all at the top level)" when he was available on a free was a smart move and one he thought wasn't worth missing out on. Brands was then left with Stek with one-year left who he could try sell but in the end he couldn't and he'll just leave this year.

When Joao Virginia was coming back in my eyes he thought "right, 4 keepers. First choice, one we can't sell, a young lad who needs his confidence rebuilding and a back-up on £38k per week" so that's why Lossl went off out on loan to shave money off the wage bill.

Maybe I'm looking too deeply into it but in my eyes it's all very straightforward and calculated.

Lossl went back to Huddersfield, as despite repeated warnings he wasn`t training properly.

Hence why he just vanished from the bench with no explanation, eventually going out on loan and Stek reappearing.

I`d be very surprised he if he ever returns to Everton again.

That then leaves us with Pickford as No 1 and an untested Virginia at No 2, assuming Stek is let go in the Summer.

 

[Nymzee]

Lossl went back to Huddersfield, as despite repeated warnings he wasn`t training properly.

Hence why he just vanished from the bench with no explanation and Stek reappearing.

I never said he played well or was a good keeper I was just explaining why I think he was signed and why it's a weird transfer to lob back at Brands in the grand scheme of things.

 

[COYBL25]

I never said he played well or was a good keeper I was just explaining why I think he was signed and why it's a weird transfer to lob back at Brands in the grand scheme of things.

I couldn`t agree more, as you say it was obvious that the intended order of merit was meant to be :

Pickford- ( No 1 )
Lossl- (No 2 )
Virginia ( one for the future / emergency cover )
Stek - ( sell for nominal fee )

No big deal.

 

[Nymzee]

I couldn`t agree more, as you say it was obvious that the intended order of merit was meant to be :

Pickford- ( No 1 )
Lossl- (No 2 )
Virginia ( one for the future / emergency cover )
Stek - ( sell for nominal fee )

No big deal.

Framing this in my kitchen.

 

[Lanolin]

I couldn`t agree more, as you say it was obvious that the intended order of merit was meant to be :

Pickford- ( No 1 )
Lossl- (No 2 )
Virginia ( one for the future / emergency cover )
Stek - ( sell for nominal fee )

No big deal.

Virginia went out on loan in early July. If anything was obvious it's that he was not supposed to be in our squad. He was loaned out for experience, it's pretty clear that was a plan I think.

 

[COYBL25]

Virginia went out on loan in early July. If anything was obvious it's that he was not supposed to be in our squad. He was loaned out for experience, it's pretty clear that was a plan I think.

And he came back pretty quickly after a few iffy intial performances and lost his confidence.

Footy is like that mate, unpredictable.

Either way, Stek will be off in the Summer and Lossl won`t come back, so maybe another new keeper in the offing ??

 

[Lanolin]

And he came back pretty quickly after a few iffy intial performances and lost his confidence.

Footy is like that mate, unpredictable.

Either way, Stek will be off in the Summer and Lossl won`t come back, so maybe another new keeper in the offing ??

Yeah I was just commenting on the fact you said it was obvious what was supposed to be the pecking order etc. I'm saying I think it's pretty obvious that wasn't supposed to be the pecking order, because we loaned out one of the people you have in it very early in the summer.

Basically I agree that signing Lossl made sense in theory, but you could say the same about Sandro or whoever. It doesn't stop them from turning out to be bad signings, and therefore brought up in discussions about the DoF.

 

[Nymzee]

Virginia went out on loan in early July. If anything was obvious it's that he was not supposed to be in our squad. He was loaned out for experience, it's pretty clear that was a plan I think.

Yeh and Lossl was signed in May so again, pretty sure the plan all along was to try shift Stek which couldn't be done. Why are you fighting simplicity haha.

 

[Zatara]

Lossl went back to Huddersfield, as despite repeated warnings he wasn`t training properly.

Hence why he just vanished from the bench with no explanation, eventually going out on loan and Stek reappearing.

I`d be very surprised he if he ever returns to Everton again.

That then leaves us with Pickford as No 1 and an untested Virginia at No 2, assuming Stek is let go in the Summer.

Wasnt training properly?

 

[Lanolin]

Yeh and Lossl was signed in May so again, pretty sure the plan all along was to try shift Stek which couldn't be done. Why are you fighting simplicity haha.

Because it's clearly not true!

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...ton-open-goalkepeer-reshuffle-summer-16229427

Silva was clear that he liked having three keepers. Virginia was always likely to be loaned out, so we needed a third keeper. Because of this Stek was quite clearly never going to be sold. As I said earlier, his original contract was due to end at the end of last season, if we'd intended to get rid of him at that point then it was a ludicrous decision to give him an extension 12 months earlier. I don't believe we did intend to get rid of him, I believe we intended to drop him to third choice. I also believe that we were unable to do this because the person we signed to be second choice wasn't up to it (or worse, if @COYBL25 is right, wasn't able to act professionally). Because of this, I believe that the decision to sign Lossl can be chalked down as an error. Not a massive one, but one that it is fair to include when talking about the summer, which is how this all started...

 

[Nymzee]

Because it's clearly not true!

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...ton-open-goalkepeer-reshuffle-summer-16229427

Silva was clear that he liked having three keepers. Virginia was always likely to be loaned out, so we needed a third keeper. Because of this Stek was quite clearly never going to be sold. As I said earlier, his original contract was due to end at the end of last season, if we'd intended to get rid of him at that point then it was a ludicrous decision to give him an extension 12 months earlier. I don't believe we did intend to get rid of him, I believe we intended to drop him to third choice. I also believe that we were unable to do this because the person we signed to be second choice wasn't up to it (or worse, if @COYBL25 is right, wasn't able to act professionally). Because of this, I believe that the decision to sign Lossl can be chalked down as an error. Not a massive one, but one that it is fair to include when talking about the summer, which is how this all started...

Stek signed a 2-year deal in 2018 I've wrote this about 3 times... I never said we had plans to get rid of him in 2018. Having Virginia, Tyrer, Hansen or whomever didn't matter as a third keeper.

 

[Lanolin]

Stek signed a 2-year deal in 2018 I've wrote this about 3 times... I never said we had plans to get rid of him in 2018. Having Virginia, Tyrer, Hansen or whomever didn't matter as a third keeper.

You can write it as many times as you want mate, it still won't be relevant to the point. Read what I said. Giving an extension to somebody like Stekelenburg and then trying to sell them at the point their contract would have ended is not a good idea. This is proved by the fact we failed to do it. If it doesn't matter who our third choice is WHY DID WE SIGN SOMEBODY ELSE BEFORE WE'D SOLD STEKELENBURG? You're proving my point for me you dolt!

 

[Nymzee]

You can write it as many times as you want mate, it still won't be relevant to the point. Read what I said. Giving an extension to somebody like Stekelenburg and then trying to sell them at the point their contract would have ended is not a good idea. This is proved by the fact we failed to do it. If it doesn't matter who our third choice is WHY DID WE SIGN SOMEBODY ELSE BEFORE WE'D SOLD STEKELENBURG? You're proving my point for me you dolt!

The bold part is where you're falling down.

July 2018 awarded a two-year deal to expire in July 2020.

Try to sell July 2019 when Lossl becomes available on a free whom wasn't in 2018 when Stek awarded extension.

Completely reasonable and simple logic to it.

Can even see Stek wasn't to be looked at considering we only saw him once in pre-season to Lossl's 3 appearances.

 

[Lanolin]

The bold part is where you're falling down.

July 2018 awarded a two-year deal to expire in July 2020.

Try to sell July 2019 when Lossl becomes available on a free whom wasn't in 2018 when Stek awarded extension.

Completely reasonable and simple logic to it.

Fair enough. You're right like, there is reasonable logic to it, I just disagree that it's what was supposed to happen. It's also simple and reasonable logic to say that when Silva said he likes to have three keepers that he meant it, and that Lossl was always intended to be one of three. Both of them are perfectly plausible scenarios, neither of us will ever know the truth I would imagine.