2019/20 Marcel Brands

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ForeverBlue92 said:
The best DOF's make business happen mate.

Tosun will be fit by the time the window ends and Palace are still interested.

Bolasie should be loaned out his contract expires next June

Sandro could go to Spain- the club he was at extended his loan and Sandro reportedly took a wage cut for his loan move - a perm move could happen for a very nominal fee.

God knows with Besic however im sure he'll end up offski.

Its simple for me - back Ancelotti or save £7 million in wages and appoint a Alladyce/Dyche/Moyes for nominal wages if we cant compete.

This squad cant play Ancelotti's system they just aint good enough.
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Its worth mentioning that there is a (admittedly very) small chance that the manager rates one of the players who was out on loan or has been injured and may find a place for him in the squad.

Probably not like but you never know...
 

Gilbert.. said:
We overpayed for sigurdsson by about 30m.
Thats the point really. We're not just over paying by a bit. Its grossly over paying.
Iwobi wasnt good at Arsenal. A few arsenal fans liked him because he came through the ranks and was a gooner. The honest ones knew what he was. Over rated pap.
They've had our pants down. But like i say whats done is done.
The concern is will brands sanction more iwobi type deals.
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You say we are overpaying like we are going in and offering double what the selling team wants. It's a sellers market. The prices are similar across the board. What it boils down to, is its a player you don't want, which like I say, is fair enough. A players value is set by the selling team in most of these cases. If you want a particular player, you have to pay the price.

Now, at the moment, Brands has apparently tried to get 1 of our targets for less than the asking price, and is now being criticised for that. He literally can't win.

People will point to other teams paying less for other players. The reasons for this are numerous. The player may be unproven at the point of being signed, and is therfore seen as a gamble. The buying club may have more pulling power, which counteracts the strength of the position of the selling club, knowing that the club and player could call their bluff and eventually lose an asset for less than the low bid, like what happened when we sold Rooney. Again though, this would assume, given our stature, that the player we are signing, and the club we are signing him from, would be that much lower down the food chain than we are, which again, would have fans asking questions. And that's without even considering competition for his signature.

Essentially, what you want Brands to do is to Jedi mind trick all other clubs to ignore the players we want to keep, buy our junk for more than they are worth, sell us their best players for buttons and trick other teams into not competing with us for signings. You want us to sign good, high quality players with experience from top teams, for prices of young unproven players from smaller leagues, and somehow reduce the wage bill and compete within the ridiculous, unfair, and rigged FFP system.

In short, it's not that Brands that is failing in his job. It's that the job you want him to do is impossible to do, certainly at a club of our size, in a league as competitive and high profile as ours, in as short a time as you are willing to give him to do it.
 

Gilbert.. said:
We overpayed for sigurdsson by about 30m.
Thats the point really. We're not just over paying by a bit. Its grossly over paying.
Iwobi wasnt good at Arsenal. A few arsenal fans liked him because he came through the ranks and was a gooner. The honest ones knew what he was. Over rated pap.
They've had our pants down. But like i say whats done is done.
The concern is will brands sanction more iwobi type deals.
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Iwobi was £27m and whilst doesn’t fit our system isn’t a bad player and is young enough to recoup some if we decide to. The regime before is where we really did bad business: £45m on Sig, over £20m each on Tosun & Walcott etc.
 
Kever10 said:
You say we are overpaying like we are going in and offering double what the selling team wants. It's a sellers market. The prices are similar across the board. What it boils down to, is its a player you don't want, which like I say, is fair enough. A players value is set by the selling team in most of these cases. If you want a particular player, you have to pay the price.

Now, at the moment, Brands has apparently tried to get 1 of our targets for less than the asking price, and is now being criticised for that. He literally can't win.

People will point to other teams paying less for other players. The reasons for this are numerous. The player may be unproven at the point of being signed, and is therfore seen as a gamble. The buying club may have more pulling power, which counteracts the strength of the position of the selling club, knowing that the club and player could call their bluff and eventually lose an asset for less than the low bid, like what happened when we sold Rooney. Again though, this would assume, given our stature, that the player we are signing, and the club we are signing him from, would be that much lower down the food chain than we are, which again, would have fans asking questions. And that's without even considering competition for his signature.

Essentially, what you want Brands to do is to Jedi mind trick all other clubs to ignore the players we want to keep, buy our junk for more than they are worth, sell us their best players for buttons and trick other teams into not competing with us for signings. You want us to sign good, high quality players with experience from top teams, for prices of young unproven players from smaller leagues, and somehow reduce the wage bill and compete within the ridiculous, unfair, and rigged FFP system.

In short, it's not that Brands that is failing in his job. It's that the job you want him to do is impossible to do, certainly at a club of our size, in a league as competitive and high profile as ours, in as short a time as you are willing to give him to do it.
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No you dont. Just because you want a player you dont have to pay silly prices. Thats crazy talk. There comes a point where you just pull the plug on the deal.
 
Gilbert.. said:
No you dont. Just because you want a player you dont have to pay silly prices. Thats crazy talk. There comes a point where you just pull the plug on the deal.
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Why does anyone pay any fee then? The reason you pay the fee is because you want them. If you don't want them, you don't pay the fee. Which is what you are suggesting.

Can you imagine the fume if we signed noone, and Brands just came out the day after deadline day and said, "They all wanted too much, so we didn't bother. Maybe next time, aye."

BRANNNNNNDDDDDDSSSSSS
 
Kever10 said:
Why does anyone pay any fee then? The reason you pay the fee is because you want them. If you don't want them, you don't pay the fee. Which is what you are suggesting.

Can you imagine the fume if we signed noone, and Brands just came out the day after deadline day and said, "They all wanted too much, so we didn't bother. Maybe next time, aye."

BRANNNNNNDDDDDDSSSSSS
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Thats the whole point in what im talking about regards to Everton. I dont really understand your point. So if swansea had wanted 60m should we have just paid it?
At what point does common sense kick in and your own realistic valuation is stuck by and look elswhere.
We have now ended up with a ridiculous expensive squad of average players.
So yeah thats all worked out well just paying anyone what they want.
 

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