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2019/20 Marcel Brands

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Neiler said:
But it all comes from the same source I.e. revenue. Same way, the fee we get for him will be, same way what we pay him comes from from revenue. Ultimate ones a subtraction from revenue the other an addition, which is why I’m saying he is cost neutral via a small profit.
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Even using your logic (which I don't agree with, but we'll put that aside for a second), it's still not a loan.

Mina transfer: we buy him, pay him, sell him: make a (small, in your estimation) profit.
Mina Loan: we pay a loan fee, pay his wages, he goes back to parent club: we lose significant money.

Whichever way you look at it, whether he's "cost neutral", very profitable or stays with us long term, HE'S NOT ON LOAN.

This isn't a matter of opinions. Despite what politics and the like might tell you in 2018, some things are actually fact or fiction.
 
Neiler said:
I’m not criticizing Everton or Brands don’t know why you think I am.

I don’t like this deal and giveing reasons for it.

I’m not unhappy he’s here, maybe it’s the best that could be done, I think it’s probably why he didn’t end up at Utd.
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Don’t really understand where you’re coming from to be honest mate. You talk like he’s an average purchase but it’s guaranteed Barca will shell out nearly £60m on him in 2 years time?
 

windymiller said:
See that in your crystal ball, Dave? He might turn out to be rubbish, he might be very effective. However, if the limit of your ambitions is 5th, 11th, 11th and some cup runs (that yielded zero cups) then you are as muted as the many people you chide on this forum. I enjoyed Martinez's first season, I admired his ambition and his vision for the club but the reality was he couldn't coach defenders, he couldn't build a squad like Barcelona's so that lack of defensive nouse wouldn't matter and, ultimately, his approach was doomed. Even if you don't accept my argument, you've got to move on. He's gone, he's not coming back. You're position that Brands is a "jughead" no-hoper is as irrational as all the people making out he is the new Messiah, give him the benefit of the doubt and maybe you will actually enjoy being an Everton fan for a while. Isn't it exhausting being so unrelentingly pessimistic all of the time?
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That's a cliche and underlines that you haven't given things much thought.
 
We got richarlison on loan too because a team may or may not buy him next summer.

Ings is on loan and it's in the contract that they have to buy him at the end for £20m, there's nothing like that in mina's contract.

Barca may not want him, he may want to stay here, he may go to real next summer. There's nothing loan about it.
 
BirkenheadBlue said:
Even using your logic (which I don't agree with, but we'll put that aside for a second), it's still not a loan.

Mina transfer: we buy him, pay him, sell him: make a (small, in your estimation) profit.
Mina Loan: we pay a loan fee, pay his wages, he goes back to parent club: we lose significant money.

Whichever way you look at it, whether he's "cost neutral", very profitable or stays with us long term, HE'S NOT ON LOAN.

This isn't a matter of opinions. Despite what politics and the like might tell you in 2018, some things are actually fact or fiction.
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Contractually you are right, in principal many of the facets are loan like, i suppose you can use my term a glorified loan as informal way of highlighting the differences but also similarities.

For me its as good as loan deal.
 
Nymzee said:
Don’t really understand where you’re coming from to be honest mate. You talk like he’s an average purchase but it’s guaranteed Barca will shell out nearly £60m on him in 2 years time?
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Dont get me wrong im not unhappy hes here, i like what ive seen as a player, i just dont like the deal is all.
 

Neiler said:
Contractually you are right, in principal many of the facets are loan like, i suppose you can use my term a glorified loan as informal way of highlighting the differences but also similarities.

For me its as good as loan deal.
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if the buy back was the same value as the fee we paid then yer, but the fact the buy back is around double it's nothing like a loan deal

IF barca wanted him back in 2 years, that means we would have got 2 very good years out of him because barca wanted him back AND we get 60 mill to go and spend on a new defender
 
toffeejack said:
We got richarlison on loan too because a team may or may not buy him next summer.

Ings is on loan and it's in the contract that they have to buy him at the end for £20m, there's nothing like that in mina's contract.

Barca may not want him, he may want to stay here, he may go to real next summer. There's nothing loan about it.
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The difference being choice of whether to sell him or not and the price isnt set mate, we have no negotiation or choice with Mina. They are very different fundamental things.
 
evertonarntwe said:
if the buy back was the same value as the fee we paid then yer, but the fact the buy back is around double it's nothing like a loan deal

IF barca wanted him back in 2 years, that means we would have got 2 very good years out of him because barca wanted him back AND we get 60 mill to go and spend on a new defender
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54million Barca pay

Less, 28 we paid.
Less 19 mill in wages we pay over a two year period.

Its cost neutral albeit a small profit and having him as an asset for two years.

Im not so sure they wont sign him back regardless if it makes financial sense for them to do so.
 
Neiler said:
The difference being choice of whether to sell him or not and the price isnt set mate, we have no negotiation or choice with Mina. They are very different fundamental things.
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this doesn't get activated until 2020 though so it's pointless arguing over it until then imo because none of know how it'll pan out until then.
 

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