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Marcelo Bielsa

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thorney33 said:
This fella knew the club needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. You have to respect that, even if you’re glad he didn’t get hired.

If we avoid relegation, will anything actually change within the club and the board? Does anyone believe we won’t be right back down fighting for our lives again next season?

We’re in a horrible purgatory right now and it’s hard to see a way out of it.
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This appointment locks in our pattern. If we survive, Dyche will be sacked next January (right at the end of the window). If we don't he'll be sacked in May.
 
John BCN said:
If true, I think the (crazy) logic goes something like this:

He thinks we have absolutely no chance of avoiding the drop without numerous signings. We accept that we will be relegated and bin off the rest of the season. The players he wants rid of continue to play in the first team with Sharpie as Gaffer. Those he wants to keep (the young, fit, strong players - Onana, Patterson, Branthwaite, Godfrey, even Gordon) join his U21s now and learn his system to prepare to win the Championship next season. He is not tainted by being associated with the relegated side and we get promoted. Absolutely bonkers and totally unrealistic but also amazing.
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That's basically Bielsa in a sentence.
6 months with your youth team though, with a view to presumably promoting a bunch the following season regardless of what division you are in would have been very interesting to witness indeed. It's very likely the results would have added to his legendary status. This is why some Leeds have been divided. We want to see him back but managing a team against us. Nah.
Some of you going on about trophies, but that's not and never will be his lasting legacy even though he's won a few. It's what he does to improve, particularly younger, players. Make no mistake we were a mid-table Championship side at best when he took over and he turned players we literally wanted to get rid of like Kalvin Phillips and Stuart Dallas and turned them into the best players in the league. He even got rid of fan favourite Pontus Jansson and replaced him with a kid who was playing on loan at Newport County previously, Ben White. We thought he was bonkers. Turns out we were right, but he's still a genius.
 
We will slowly crumble with Dyche. It’s like beating a dead horse we have nothing in our first team. Bielsa knows this and we will need to rebuild regardless because we are getting relegated. Once we are relegated and we’re stuck with Dyche I believe fans will be eating their words because we will be stuck in the championship for awhile.
 
Blue peter said:
I think some one said it before but if it is down to Bielsa or Dyche - that choice sums up the lack of coherent planning and strategy in one. One is an attack mind, high press manager, the other a low block, physical, up and at’em style manager. The truth is we probably have only a couple of players that could play one style and slightly more to play another - either way it’s going to be tough. I do wonder some times wether the Bielsa chase is a red herring. it allows a limited of transfer spend. Even if we go down we get parachute payments and we simply downsize in salary by off loading the higher
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Seems like this guy came in with a plan to take the club forward as a whole, ie getting the U21s playing exactly the same way as the 1st team.
So when they step up they know their roles, like what proper clubs do.
But Everton said No we can't do that let's get hoof ball in I mean Dyche in, all he is interested in his how long his contract is going to be.
SO SHORT SIGHTED AGAIN FROM THE TOP
 

kiss the crest said:
Seems like this guy came in with a plan to take the club forward as a whole, ie getting the U21s playing exactly the same way as the 1st team.
So when they step up they know their roles, like what proper clubs do.
But Everton said No we can't do that let's get hoof ball in I mean Dyche in, all he is interested in his how long his contract is going to be.
SO SHORT SIGHTED AGAIN FROM THE TOP
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Yup we are staying in the championship mate. Another club with proper management will take Bielsa I’m sure of it
 
kiss the crest said:
Seems like this guy came in with a plan to take the club forward as a whole, ie getting the U21s playing exactly the same way as the 1st team.
So when they step up they know their roles, like what proper clubs do.
But Everton said No we can't do that let's get hoof ball in I mean Dyche in, all he is interested in his how long his contract is going to be.
SO SHORT SIGHTED AGAIN FROM THE TOP
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This is the absolute crux of my view also. It’s just so obviously the same show on repeat. I have nothing against Dyche as a manager, if anything I have a great respect for him. But he’s in the same vision as every other stop gap. Even if we stay up - what then?? Wait until the last minute to sack him when we’re back in the [Poor language removed] and nobody is available? It’s a JOKE. That board deserves everything it gets. I hope they lose everything, if we go down, I’m seeing it as a chance to get my club back.
 
blueblue said:
But, after getting Leeds promoted he then nearly got them relegated again.
It's not as if he left the club in a wonderful position behind him...only slightly better than us and that is saying something.

I think Leeds fans love him because he brought you back to the Premiership more than any other reason.
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More much more getting back to the prem is/was a huge thing but it felt like a club everyone was on-board from the fans, players, owners, staff, press everyone pulling in the same direction we were given a new identity almost.

That was down to him and him alone. He cut through what wasn't important, for three years it was fun even when we blew the playoff I knew it would be OK.
 
When teams are threatened by relegation, they always hire the manager who seems to fight, with a defensive, attritional, aggressive system, that's not pretty, but effective. I think in this case it misses the point though. I feel like our weakness has been our lack of goals, our passive, lack of pace in midfield, and attack especially, because we can't move the ball forward with pace. and our passing is gentle, nice, neat, but not progressive .Unfortunatley for Dyche he';s typecast by the pragmatic football he played with Burnley, and to be fair, Ancelotti did the same - made the best use of a system with the players he had, plus James of course, and a couple of more skilful players. This year, we have nothing, and I don't know how hard work, 'no-nonsense' and compact, solid shapes will bring us more goals. I don't think that a lack of fight and unity was the problem - it was a lack of skill and pace, and the fact that Lampard and his team are not magicians. How is he going to conjure up more attacking play, which we need to get us out of this? We need 7 wins at least, out of the last 18 matches. If the players somehow respond to Dyche and fight harder, that's a bad bad reflection on their character, because neither the fans, or the dangerous prospect of relegation, nor the motivation of a good coaching staff - could motivate them.
 
We’ve likely waved goodbye to something that could have transformed us. We’ve chosen the safe option that will lead us nowhere. Even if Dyche, by some cosmic miracle, keeps us up he’ll be getting pelters all next season if he’s serving us his brand of football. It’s a guarantee. Then off we go again. It’s typical Everton all over this appointment.
 

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NorthernBlue said:
We’ve likely waved goodbye to something that could have transformed us. We’ve chosen the safe option that will lead us nowhere. Even if Dyche, by some cosmic miracle, keeps us up he’ll be getting pelters all next season if he’s serving us his brand of football. It’s a guarantee. Then off we go again. It’s typical Everton all over this appointment.
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That’s why 2.5 years for Dyche is stupid, I’d rather have big sam who is desperate to return and 6 months is enough to make him wet
 
APN_EFC said:
When teams are threatened by relegation, they always hire the manager who seems to fight, with a defensive, attritional, aggressive system, that's not pretty, but effective. I think in this case it misses the point though. I feel like our weakness has been our lack of goals, our passive, lack of pace in midfield, and attack especially, because we can't move the ball forward with pace. and our passing is gentle, nice, neat, but not progressive .Unfortunatley for Dyche he';s typecast by the pragmatic football he played with Burnley, and to be fair, Ancelotti did the same - made the best use of a system with the players he had, plus James of course, and a couple of more skilful players. This year, we have nothing, and I don't know how hard work, 'no-nonsense' and compact, solid shapes will bring us more goals. I don't think that a lack of fight and unity was the problem - it was a lack of skill and pace, and the fact that Lampard and his team are not magicians. How is he going to conjure up more attacking play, which we need to get us out of this? We need 7 wins at least, out of the last 18 matches. If the players somehow respond to Dyche and fight harder, that's a bad bad reflection on their character, because neither the fans, or the dangerous prospect of relegation, nor the motivation of a good coaching staff - could motivate them.
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Agree with this... WE know how to defend (Man City game?) we make stupid mistakes sometimes but you cannot defend based on individuals for 90 mins and not make mistakes. WE are terrible going forward. Cant imagine Dyche will help that much.
 
If it is true that he asked to be the under 21 manager until the summer and then take over the team then he must have known that it was impossible for Everton to agree to that , even if Duncan was still at the club there may have been a chance that it might happen but really there was nobody internally with any senior management experience and what external manager would agree to a five month contract knowing it was never going to be extended.

I don't think either Dyche or Bielsa will take a lot of blame if we do get relegated this season.
 

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