Martinez and Jones comments on set pieces

[What's Our Name]

Quote taken from Leon Osmans autobiography

''Another difference between the managers is their approach to set-pieces. With Moyes, we could spend an hour and a half on Fridays going through routines because he was so meticulous in that aspect. If I was a manager, I'd probably do the same because fine lines can determine games. He hated losing goals at set-pieces because it was something he could influence."

"Martinez doesn't really do that. It's rare for us to work on set-pieces. You're given your roles, you're supposed to understand them and if you don't, find out, think for yourself. That was a big changeover for us."

"We questioned why we weren't working on set-pieces and Graeme Jones, the assistant manager, said: "How many do you have to defend in a game? Three? So why would we spend two hours standing around to defend three set-pieces when we could work on moving the ball."

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Just started a similar thread you might find interesting here mate;

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/everton-cant-deal-with-crosses.85814/

 

[daz4matty]

Quote taken from Leon Osmans autobiography

''Another difference between the managers is their approach to set-pieces. With Moyes, we could spend an hour and a half on Fridays going through routines because he was so meticulous in that aspect. If I was a manager, I'd probably do the same because fine lines can determine games. He hated losing goals at set-pieces because it was something he could influence."

"Martinez doesn't really do that. It's rare for us to work on set-pieces. You're given your roles, you're supposed to understand them and if you don't, find out, think for yourself. That was a big changeover for us."

"We questioned why we weren't working on set-pieces and Graeme Jones, the assistant manager, said: "How many do you have to defend in a game? Three? So why would we spend two hours standing around to defend three set-pieces when we could work on moving the ball."

Thats what you get with championship standard managers and coaches no attention to detail and lazy.

 

[Saaby]

Wow that logic just baffles me

 

[Tubey]

It's irritatingly stupid, and a perfect example of philosophy overriding pragmatism, and the reason Martinez is not and never will be a top manager.

 

[sageyefc]

Tbf the rate of scoring from corners is extremely low so it's understandable not spending so much time on them

 

[Toffeeslam]

Quote taken from Leon Osmans autobiography

''Another difference between the managers is their approach to set-pieces. With Moyes, we could spend an hour and a half on Fridays going through routines because he was so meticulous in that aspect. If I was a manager, I'd probably do the same because fine lines can determine games. He hated losing goals at set-pieces because it was something he could influence."

"Martinez doesn't really do that. It's rare for us to work on set-pieces. You're given your roles, you're supposed to understand them and if you don't, find out, think for yourself. That was a big changeover for us."

"We questioned why we weren't working on set-pieces and Graeme Jones, the assistant manager, said: "How many do you have to defend in a game? Three? So why would we spend two hours standing around to defend three set-pieces when we could work on moving the ball."

Naive to think that to defend set pieces is a waste of time.

he says we only defend three set pieces a match. We lost 3-2 !!!!!

but its deeper than that and the players are also not blameless in this however the management set the culture of what is expected so in my view the buck stops there

 

[Tubey]

Tbf the rate of scoring from corners is extremely low so it's understandable not spending so much time on them

It's the mentality of it. If you go into a game thinking you're unprepared for an element of the match, then you are shaky mentally.

You should train to prepare overall for anything that can happen, not just disregard an entire element of matchplay. It's absolutely stupid.

It's like a darts player never practicing how to throw double 1, because it doesn't happen that often. It's just negligence.

 

[Fresh Prince of Belle Val]

Wow that logic just baffles me

It is literally moronic, scary to think a manager in the top flight could believe this to be wise.

 

[sageyefc]

It's the mentality of it. If you go into a game thinking you're unprepared for an element of the match, then you are shaky mentally.

You should train to prepare overall for anything that can happen, not just disregard an entire element of matchplay. It's absolutely stupid.

It's like a darts player never practicing how to throw double 1, because it doesn't happen that often. It's just negligence.

Think we've been better at defending them since Howard's been took out, Joel actually instructs his defenders. Personally think a lot should be up to jags to marshall his defence on them like you see some of the top center halves doing

 

[Tubey]

Think we've been better at defending them since Howard's been took out, Joel actually instructs his defenders. Personally think a lot should be up to jags to marshall his defence on them like you see some of the top center halves doing

But that's just by fluke that one keeper is naturally better at commanding crosses.

As Osman says, fine lines that you can influence should be something you prioritise. Ignoring an aspect of play that can easily be prepared for is simply negligence. It is outright bad management. I don't understand how anyone could read the above and not be alarmed that this type of mindset is running our club on the field.

 

[Blue Truth]

Quote taken from Leon Osmans autobiography

''Another difference between the managers is their approach to set-pieces. With Moyes, we could spend an hour and a half on Fridays going through routines because he was so meticulous in that aspect. If I was a manager, I'd probably do the same because fine lines can determine games. He hated losing goals at set-pieces because it was something he could influence."

"Martinez doesn't really do that. It's rare for us to work on set-pieces. You're given your roles, you're supposed to understand them and if you don't, find out, think for yourself. That was a big changeover for us."

"We questioned why we weren't working on set-pieces and Graeme Jones, the assistant manager, said: "How many do you have to defend in a game? Three? So why would we spend two hours standing around to defend three set-pieces when we could work on moving the ball."

Isn't this like 2 years old and hasn't Baines(?) said in an interview recently that we do practice them?

 

[sageyefc]

But that's just by fluke that one keeper is naturally better at commanding crosses.

As Osman says, fine lines that you can influence should be something you prioritise. Ignoring an aspect of play that can easily be prepared for is simply negligence. It is outright bad management. I don't understand how anyone could read the above and not be alarmed that this type of mindset is running our club on the field.

I'm more concerned at crosses from open play tbh.

 

[MikeH72]

He's just an outright bad manager, full stop

 

[Azza]

Quote taken from Leon Osmans autobiography

"We questioned why we weren't working on set-pieces and Graeme Jones, the assistant manager, said: "How many do you have to defend in a game? Three? So why would we spend two hours standing around to defend three set-pieces when we could work on moving the ball."

Funny that, so far this season we've had 150 corners to defend, so on average that's about 5 per game.

I've got it at 7 conceded directly from a corner, but it's probably more if you take yesterdays first goal as from a corner, as we cleared it but then didn't deal with the second ball coming in from Noble.