Richy last season I think?
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Richy last season I think?
the sniderman
Player Valuation: £40m
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Marginally there if given a run at CB like when he was out performing Keane a few seasons back
davids
Player Valuation: £70m
Don't know who advises the players, muscle doesn't equal strength. Lots of slightly built players have bossed games and intimidated opponents.
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Full list of 2019/20 Everton award winners:
Player of the Season - Richarlison
Players' Player of the Season - Mason Holgate
Young Player of the Season - Mason Holgate
Goal of the Season - Leighton Baines
Howard Kendall Award - Duncan Ferguson
Chairman's Blueblood Award - Denise Barratt-Baxendale
Under-23 Player of the Season - Anthony Gordon
Everton Women Player of the Season - Dan Turner
Everton Women Breakthrough Player of the Season - Molly Pike
Fan of the Year - Lewis Docherty
Everton Giant - Pat Van den Hauwe and Gary Stevens
People's Club Award - The Everton Family
Moody Blue Award - Hannah Moody
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catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
That being a winner thing has definitely been true with managers too. I think it's what largely led to us appointing Ronald Koeman, on the basis of what he had won (mostly as a player). I mean Roy Keane is a "winner" on the pitch- in the easiest sense of the word, and you can see listening to him would be perfect on the pitch, but can also see how he would be an awful manager, and in honesty once he stopped performing on the pitch a massive pain. To a degree, Neville Southall was probably a bit like that, and it's why once he was dropped Kendall sent his as far away from Bellefield as possible (and even told him he couldn't train with the 1st team).
As for Holgate, I think he has got a good atittude on the whole, there are technical issues with him. His awareness isnt great and has never been great. To a degree it is something that improves with age, so there is some hope, but his general awareness is poor (a bit like that Gomez at Liverpool, they don't have the peripheral vision good defenders have where they sense whats behind them).
The big thing with Holgate is probably people going to extremes on him. I appreciate it's often not the same people, but he isn't better than Stones (even when Stones was struggling at City) and nor is he now awful. He's decent. If he had a run of games, he'd probably do ok, but we want better than ok.
We have gone from hating Schneiderlin, Tosun, Niasse to now seeong this lad as the weak link. To a degree it's progress of sort.
I said a few weeks abck, if the right offer came in I'd move him on. He's one of the few saleable assets who we probably wouldn't miss enormously. If a good bid doesn't come in, I'm fine with him beign a squad player too. I think if he went to a Bournemouth as 1st choice centre back, and got a run, he would quickly look very good for them, and look great value too. I'm not sure he will ever be an elite centre back though.
Yep, I agree with all of that. Holgate did better last year than I thought he was capable of, I thought he did really well, but only in a relative sense. I think he's a decent player who just isn't ever going to be good enough to be a regular starter for a side with any real ambition. As you say, he's young enough to prove me wrong, but from what I've seen he's just lacking a few too many things. I think people overrate him because he's usually more mobile than whoever he replaces in the backline and so instantly looks better in that regard. Personally i've never really liked the attitude he projects (whether that's his real personality or not I have no idea) but I know others have liked it previously and I think it's a bit unfair to have a go at him for now when thats what he's always been like.
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Should stay in the starting line up at all times. Much better than Keane and Mina.
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Stephenlloyd
Player Valuation: £40m
Not for me. I can’t remember which manager said it years ago, clough? Shankly?
it’s better to be big goodun than a little goodun.
At least Keane & Mina give us some height presence in both boxes
I mean... I'm not sure the display the other day supports that theory.
One of Mina and Keane have to play, alongside one of Godfrey and Holgate. In a low block, Mina and Keane are our best pairing, but if we want to push up, then one of them drops out.
I'd say our best pairing right now for that is Mina and Godfrey, as both are aggressive in the air and decent enough on the ball.
Holgate plays right-back because he's better than Coleman for how we need to play to get results right now, as sad as that is.
Toffee-nerd
Player Valuation: £20m
Good player. Young and out of form. You what? Young players have dips in form? Not a chance.
mightymoyes
Player Valuation: £70m
i know 24 is young is real terms but do you still consider it to be young as a footballer?
NathDogg
Player Valuation: £50m
He should be just used at RB if Mina/Keane/Godfrey are fit, and only start if we deploy the wall of four CBS, with Godfrey at LB to push digne up.
He's ahead of Coleman at rb, but he's fourth choice cb now, poss 5th, if branthwaite gets a good loan and comes back and plays to his potential.
He's ahead of Coleman at rb, but he's fourth choice cb now, poss 5th, if branthwaite gets a good loan and comes back and plays to his potential.
the sniderman
Player Valuation: £40m
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